tin-man's SPF 2984 build pictures

[csx4910]

Hang in there Tin Man,
I would plan on late January as not much gets done around the holidays anywhere anymore. As I suggested before, given the short itme you will have her every year when on break from China, even it is takes more time let them works out the bugs before you take possession. Roush has a looooooong history of slow for repair work once the customer takes possession and ask for as much paperwork/proof of install as possible. For spending well north of $100K on a car you would think you would get more paperwork than a 2 page receipt of the list of the car and compnents. I would also make sure you ask for Roush warranty in writing (I got none) and scpific things that will void the warranty. Roush is fuzzy on those details but will be fast to try to void the warranty saying you did something worng if the motor has problems. Take it form someone who knows the hard way!
Ron

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by csx4910

Hang in there Tin Man,
I would plan on late January as not much gets done around the holidays anywhere anymore. As I suggested before, given the short itme you will have her every year when on break from China, even it is takes more time let them works out the bugs before you take possession. Roush has a looooooong history of slow for repair work once the customer takes possession and ask for as much paperwork/proof of install as possible. For spending well north of $100K on a car you would think you would get more paperwork than a 2 page receipt of the list of the car and compnents. I would also make sure you ask for Roush warranty in writing (I got none) and scpific things that will void the warranty. Roush is fuzzy on those details but will be fast to try to void the warranty saying you did something worng if the motor has problems. Take it form someone who knows the hard way!
Ron

John, that's pretty good advice from Ron. Have them break the car in for you and take it for at least a hundred miles of driving before they pronounce it "fit for delivery."

[dave from mesa]

Originally Posted by patrickt

John, that's pretty good advice from Ron. Have them break the car in for you and take it for at least a hundred miles of driving before they pronounce it "fit for delivery."

I'll do it. I'll do it. Cuz I'm a nice guy I won't even charge you to go to Calif.

Now isn't that better than "what he said"

[tin-man]

Erick of Voss Performance tells me the December 21st pick -up date is off. Bummer huh after waiting for almost a year? Seems Roush forgot to ship a spacer plate and flex plate with the engine and they are currently making them. Are these component integral to an engine and if so does this make any sense that these would be left out of the crate package? I ceratainly hope this in not the harbinger of things to come, I dropped US53,175 on this engine tranny/combo so I am expecting that everythng will work well. Naivette ya think? tin-man

[poisonsnake]

Tin-Man .....Don't stop now! Check-out Firefly Performance.com Ron is a SPF owner and retired Ford engineer who has designed headers and side-pipes specifically for the SPF. Free flowing and sound awesome! It will be money well spent. They look so much better than stock pipes.The sound..........sets you apart from the rest!!! MT

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by poisonsnake

Tin-Man .....Don't stop now! Check-out Firefly Performance.com Ron is a SPF owner and retired Ford engineer who has designed headers and side-pipes specifically for the SPF. Free flowing and sound awesome! It will be money well spent. They look so much better than stock pipes.The sound..........sets you apart from the rest!!! MT

I'll consider this switch after I have taken delivery of the standard Superformance, I wanna see and hear what I got for my hard earned gelt. If I am dissapointed I will do the switch.Cheers tin-man

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by tin-man

Erick of Voss Performance tells me the December 21st pick -up date is off. Bummer huh after waiting for almost a year? Seems Roush forgot to ship a spacer plate and flex plate with the engine and they are currently making them. Are these component integral to an engine and if so does this make any sense that these would be left out of the crate package? I ceratainly hope this in not the harbinger of things to come, I dropped US53,175 on this engine tranny/combo so I am expecting that everythng will work well. Naivette ya think? tin-man

The flex plate bolts to the end of the crankshaft and then the transmission torque converter bolts to it. I'm assuming the spacer plate also has to do with the transmission to engine interface. Both are external on the engine and will not affect the engine build.

[patrickt]

Flexplates and flywheels are off-the-shelf type items that you can get shipped from Summit in, like, two days. Lykins would probably drive it over to your builder's house personally (and pick up a pizza on the way). If the spacer is anything similar to the spacer that is in front of my manual transmission, that too is an off-the-shelf item. I don't see why this is big a deal.

[csx4910]

Tin Man,
Dont ever assume the money spent with Roush will guarantee no problems. Those of use that have had the 511 for a while and have spent months sorting it out can attest to the fact that you would think with spending that kind of money would get you better service but it doesn't. What I will say is when the motor is dialed in, nothing else compares. No 427 side oiler on its best day has the pull of this motor but on the other hand the side oiler is alomst impossible to break and there are a LOT of things that can go wrong with the 511.

Many parts while off the shelf from other outside vendors Roush still orders in to their factory then re-ships them so what should take 2 days takes 2 weeks (or longer) I can only use my expereince but I would plan on late January if you were promised it late december. Sorry to be negative but want you to be prepared. No matter how long though the smile you will have once you are there to fire it up will make it all worthwhile!!!

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

The flex plate bolts to the end of the crankshaft and then the transmission torque converter bolts to it. I'm assuming the spacer plate also has to do with the transmission to engine interface. Both are external on the engine and will not affect the engine build.

after hearing all the previous complaints about Roush, I was exceedingly pissed when I heard this. I though, wow, its already starting and that puts me into a situation where I must fly back to the States in January at my own expense. What this means is I get to spend an additional 4 grand [round trip costs from HK to Lax and back] that adds to the total cash outlay for the cost of the car that could have been prevented if Roush had done it right the first time. John, AKA, tin-man

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by patrickt

John, that's pretty good advice from Ron. Have them break the car in for you and take it for at least a hundred miles of driving before they pronounce it "fit for delivery."

Patrickt, only issue is it will not be registered in California, so maybe drivin' it aroud for a few hundred miles may not be possible, but I will ask. John, AKA, tin-man

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by tin-man

Patrickt, only issue is it will not be registered in California, so maybe drivin' it aroud for a few hundred miles may not be possible, but I will ask. John, AKA, tin-man

For $125K they could slap on a Dealer's Tag from someone and take it on a lengthy shake-down cruise. For that kind of money it needs to be absolutely, 100%, perfectumundo. I know we all love our cars, but that just seems like too much dough.

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by patrickt

For $125K they could slap on a Dealer's Tag from someone and take it on a lengthy shake-down cruise. For that kind of money it needs to be absolutely, 100%, perfectumundo. I know we all love our cars, but that just seems like too much dough.

but I am a sucker for fine cars. Good idea about the dealer plates I'll check it out. Thanks, John, AKA, tin-man

[csx4910]

Mine had several shake down miles by the dealer before it got registered because they can use the dealer plates. I will say most of the problems I encountered with my 511 were in the 500-600 miles after I took possession and before the large problem with the motor that had it at Roush for 5 months, encountered several other failiures of non roush parts on the motor(but the replacements and warranty approval still had to go through Roush). I had the distributor pin shear off, fuel pump issues, several flywheel problems etc. many of which I was told had been changed on future motors so hopefully it will be more sorted out than Tim's or I or others here in Arizona.

The first 5 or 7 of the 511's are here in Arizona (about 8 with the 8 stack and half with a carb) and every one of us had substanial problems butI can't believe Roush wouldn't of learned some things and made improvem ents in future motors.

[timsullivan]

Yep, your messages all came through. Thanks for sharing the specifics. You clearly have worked long and hard and deserve every minute of one hell of a lot of satisfaction that is coming your way soon. I don't think it is possible to build a nicer SPF then what 'yer doing.... Please remember one thing when you take her out for those first couple of rides: "Respect Me or I'll Kill You".

-Tim

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by csx4910

Hang in there Tin Man,
I would plan on late January as not much gets done around the holidays anywhere anymore. As I suggested before, given the short itme you will have her every year when on break from China, even it is takes more time let them works out the bugs before you take possession. Roush has a looooooong history of slow for repair work once the customer takes possession and ask for as much paperwork/proof of install as possible. For spending well north of $100K on a car you would think you would get more paperwork than a 2 page receipt of the list of the car and compnents. I would also make sure you ask for Roush warranty in writing (I got none) and scpific things that will void the warranty. Roush is fuzzy on those details but will be fast to try to void the warranty saying you did something worng if the motor has problems. Take it form someone who knows the hard way!
Ron

Ron, good point on the guarantee, I did not receieve one from Roush. John, AKA, tin-man

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by csx4910

Hang in there Tin Man,
I would plan on late January as not much gets done around the holidays anywhere anymore. As I suggested before, given the short itme you will have her every year when on break from China, even it is takes more time let them works out the bugs before you take possession. Roush has a looooooong history of slow for repair work once the customer takes possession and ask for as much paperwork/proof of install as possible. For spending well north of $100K on a car you would think you would get more paperwork than a 2 page receipt of the list of the car and compnents. I would also make sure you ask for Roush warranty in writing (I got none) and scpific things that will void the warranty. Roush is fuzzy on those details but will be fast to try to void the warranty saying you did something worng if the motor has problems. Take it form someone who knows the hard way!
Ron

Wow, after visiting Voss in California an bein' all jazzed up at seeing my car after a very long and tiresome 28 hour flight from China, seems there is still a loooooooong way to go with the install. The current estimate is early February partly due to the holidays and also seein' as Roush has yet to deliver on the missing parts for the engine- tranny assembly. I guess a lot of the install is driven around the engine tranny combo being installed first and everything else follows.

Well at least I got to get a feely touchy experience and saw the roller from all angles, checked out the Mickey T's, paid my respects to the Beast and his torque [really mean lookin'] and took a pile of pictures. Eric of Voss Performance tells me he will be driving the car for well over 100 miles during the pre-hand over phase to sort out any "issues", debug rattles, screw tightening phase,etc. so that's good. Certainly better than me drivin' in Phoenix six months later and finding several "issues" and having it shipped back to California for fixin'.

Anyway, while slightly dissapointed I can wait an' jus' keep lookin' at the pictures and yelling varooom, varoom.

So, dear readers, tin-man wishes all, a fine Christmas Holiday, and a New Year filled with Joy, Happiness, Good Health and all the pleasures that come to you while driving your Cobra.

Cheers, John, AKA, tin-man