For CSX 2000 and 3000 Series Cobra Owners Eyes Only

[OnyxRider]

Ok this is one of two questions that I've wanted to ask for some years now. I use to be a member of SAAC over 25 yeaars ago and it was during that time I would ask this question. Now with more replicas on the market and being out in Cali driving a real S/C model it does get a bit bothersome.

Guys with original Cobras(either 289 or 427) how many times do you get asked is it a real Cobra, a kit or replica by guys that have no or little clue...and does that bother you?

I usually like to take a ride through the Malibu canyons and usually get asked when in the beach areas when stopped for lunch or going home. Without taking time I just say it's the real deal and keep it moving, unless someone really wants to be educated and I take the time to do so. I really love this car because of several reasons.

1) It belches, really has no idle and scares small children and dogs. lol

2) I love annoying my former neighbors by the beach by driving by at three in the morning rattling windows.

Ok I'm being sarcastic but it's true. When I had my house on Malibu Beach (1980's) there seemed to be parties going on everywhere. Maybe people complained about me because I had professional musicians throw parties with professional equipment. Well anyway I built a 12 acre compound on the beach in Malibu several years ago and solved that problem. But I still like cruising my old area. lol

Does it annoy you guys being asked if it real or replica?

I own many cars and another one I get asked about is my McLaren F1. Some are clueless and think it's a kit. As Leno says you get it or you don't. Love the seating since I can drive this one with my twin girls.

The one that I have been driving lately is my TVR Tuscan because you can hear that from around the corner and not many know what it is.

Ok I'll post my other question another day. Sorry for the title "eyes only", I'm former USN & NRO, old habts die slowly.

[B.M.B.C]

Great story. Nice to read stuff like this on here. Your TVR Tuscan...... Is it a 1960s V8 or a modern Swordfish type car.

[Nedsel]

Given that reproduction Cobras outnumber real cars by a factor of maybe 20:1, it's understandable that people might ask the question. I get it while driving in southern California all the time. It doesn't bother me. I respond truthfully, but often add "Seriously, what is the point of even asking the question? Do you think if it were a copy I'd tell you? Of course not. I'd say "Oh yeah, this baby's REAL," like - be honest - most replica owners do. If the person asking the question really wants to know, they'll follow up with the right questions. If they're just asking for the hell of it, they'll usually leave it alone.

[Cobra #3170]

Very well put Ned, I have found that most people that ask are shocked when I tell them it is original because many have never seen one and only ask the question to be polite.

[jolsen42]

A funny flip side to this scenario. I was at a cruise night awhile back with my slab replica, and this fellow comes over and while looking over my car says, you often don't get a chance to stand next to an original. I said you still haven't. A number of my friends have replicas and not one of them say's that their's are originals. So in that respect, I humbly disagree with Mr. Ned.

John O

[James Stern]

John, I agree with you about the real vs replica. I never say mine is real. I don't think I would have the guts to drive a 2000 series or 3000 series on the street. You are at the mercy of the least intelligent person in your general area.

Jim

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

It doesn't bother me. I respond truthfully, but often add "Seriously, what is the point of even asking the question? Do you think if it were a copy I'd tell you? Of course not. I'd say "Oh yeah, this baby's REAL," like - be honest - most replica owners do. If the person asking the question really wants to know, they'll follow up with the right questions. If they're just asking for the hell of it, they'll usually leave it alone.

Maybe it's just me but that kind of statement is what makes the rest of us look like real a--holes. Why the sarcasm? Answer the question and be nice about it. Not everyone has your extensive knowlege about classic cars.

But what do I know, I drive a REAL, replica Cobra.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Given that reproduction Cobras outnumber real cars by a factor of maybe 20:1, it's understandable that people might ask the question. I get it while driving in southern California all the time. It doesn't bother me. I respond truthfully, but often add "Seriously, what is the point of even asking the question? Do you think if it were a copy I'd tell you? Of course not. I'd say "Oh yeah, this baby's REAL," like - be honest - most replica owners do. If the person asking the question really wants to know, they'll follow up with the right questions. If they're just asking for the hell of it, they'll usually leave it alone.

I've seen hundreds of replicas from all makes and talked to most of the owners and soo far, not one of them has ever tried to pass their car off as anything but a replica........
And I do know a couple of original owners who from time to time when asked say their car IS A replica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I asked one guy WHY??? he said I don't want certain types of people to know I own an original for security reasons....

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by DAVID GAGNARD

I've seen hundreds of replicas from all makes and talked to most of the owners and soo far, not one of them has ever tried to pass their car off as anything but a replica........

David, It might just be the way you approached the owners and ask the question.

Several times I've been told about a Cobra that was at a show in the area and asked if I know the car. I explain it was a replica and with some disbelief the reply is, "No, the guy said it was real."

[Bartruff1]

I think it is a rhetorical question intended to serve another all to obvious purpose.

[patrickt]

I think more replica owners "fudge the truth" rather than tell it (CSX owners tend to be the greatest offenders). Personally, I go out of my way with any serious questioners to let them know that the only parts on my car that are even close to an original's time period are the block, alternator, and starter motor. I think every other part on the car was made after the year 2000.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

David, It might just be the way you approached the owners and ask the question.

Several times I've been told about a Cobra that was at a show in the area and asked if I know the car. I explain it was a replica and with some disbelief the reply is, "No, the guy said it was real."

Could be ,but I never approach a vehicle/owner and the first words out of my mouth are: "Is it real?" to some,that is somewhat insulting,be it a Cobra or Shelby Mustang and I'm more respectful to the owner than that..

I look at the car and if the owner is there, I say something like: "Nice car" or " I really like your car" and while looking at it, look for the manufacters ID plate or something that would tell me what make it is...or I'm looking on the footbox for the CSX #.....

There are some makes/models I don't care for but I ALWAYS tell the owner "Nice car" whether I like it or not, it's his/her car and they built it the way they wanted to please themselves and I respect that......

I have a 66 GT350 clone/tribute/replica/etc. whatever you want to call it and I've literally been cursed and told how I ruined a perfectly good Fastback to make it into something it can never be...to each his own, I didn't let it bother me......

David

[Nedsel]

I can only respond to my own observations, and they are that it is common to get an evasive answer to the question, for a variety of reasons, some of which - like David's prior comment - I would not have expected. As for the thought that I am being sarcastic, the situation determines the response. "Often" doesn't mean "always" and "often" is usually when you're stopped at a light and someone hollers out from another car or the sidewalk. On those occasions, the person asking really doesn't care, so they get a response that says neither do I.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

"often" is usually when you're stopped at a light and someone hollers out from another car or the sidewalk. On those occasions, the person asking really doesn't care, so they get a response that says neither do I.

I have to disagree once again. You are assuming a defensive posture and presupposing that the person asking the question is disingenuous. Why not approach the question neutrally and deal with what actually happens? Not all questions arise at car shows. If the person posing the question turns into an a--hole, then respond accordingly. You don't have to beat him to the punch.

[CHANMADD]

.......but anything that was not not built in the sixties is a replica.

[OnyxRider]

Thanks for the replies. I didn't know that ratio was 20:1 with original and replicas or continuations. I've had various reactions but you can usually tell by a persons reaction. I had one teenager that was really excited to find out it was real and spent the time showing him various areas of the cobra. I just don't have the extensive knowledge on replicas like many here to teach the differences other than obvious details.

Knowing LA/Santa Barbara/Malibu area and traffic that is why I take it out when areas are clear late night. It's for my enjoyment and sort of a meditation at times. I don't really drive it fast, I like cruising at 30-40 and let the beast lead me. Not like when it was garaged in Greenwich CT (if you know the area) and take the Parkway from NY/CT border going north into Fairfield and returning through that no mans land straight between fairfield and exit 42 in Wesport. Use to love that quick trip.

I understand security reasons but I would neverv say it was a fake cobra. Security reasons is why my families(grandfather) name really never appears in any registry unless it was before 1950.

I actually forgot there was a Tuscan in late 60's, mine came after the Swordfish Tuscan and is a convertible.

Thanks for the comments.

[REAL 1]

Here we go again. Oey vey.

"CSX owners are the greatest offenders" .....Really Patrick? And from where does your empirical data come from? Would love to review it. They certainly do not offend if they say it's a real Cobra. The question is whether there is there some further moral imperative to go further and say it is of the Continuation series. You can debate that all day.

As many here can appreciate its very hard to go through the entire history of original vs. continuation series verses completions series blah, blah blah when I have the average Joe approach at the gas station and ask the usual question "is it real?". I give them the answer SAAC tells us from the Registry.

My answer is "Yes, its a real Shelby Cobra but not an original. It's a continuation series". That I believe satisfies the question truthfully and fully knowing many likely are really asking is it original. Today many know what a Continuation series Cobra is but some don't. If I have time and am engaged further I explain what they are. If not I don't and don't care and go about my business having given a truthful answer. Whether they understand it is their problem.

There.

[Al G]

As the owner of a continuation Cobra, I have a hard time giving a simple answer to "Is it real or a kit?". I'm quite certain the inquirer's definition of "real" is original 1960s. I'm also pretty sure by "kit" they mean assembled in someone's garage from a pile of parts. Since it is neither the question usually leads to a discussion about the continuation series and other roller brands like Superformance and BDR. But I never lead them to believe they are looking at a true original.


Note: The words "assembled in someone's garage from a pile of parts" was not meant in a disparaging manner. I have lots of respect for anyone who has the time, skills and motivation to build their own car.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by Al G

I'm also pretty sure by "kit" they mean assembled in someone's garage from a pile of parts.

I'm starting to be of the opinion that the term "kit" is becoming generic for any and all Cobras that are not of 60's vintage. Perhaps owners should use the term component car, as Shelby American does, as that might help in defining the new cars.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

I'm starting to be of the opinion that the term "kit" is becoming generic for any and all Cobras that are not of 60's vintage. Perhaps owners should use the term component car, as Shelby American does, as that might help in defining the new cars.

Lets be clear, since we have this on the table.

"Cobras" are limited to original series, completion series, continuation series, COB, COX and Kirkham Cobras. I refer you to the SAAC Registry which is universally considered the Bible on all things Cobra.

The rest are generically referred to as "Cobras" by Joe public and our hobby community but technically are not legally or otherwise. They are "tribute Cobras" to coin a phrase just used.

The term "Kit" I believe is also dealt with by the Registry and does not include Shelbys either original or continuation.

I don't consider my Shelby a "kit" and never will. I serious doubt many CSX owners would either nor do I see or get the sense that the term "kit" is or is beginning to generically include them. Quite the contrary. I see and get the sense that over the years they have been accepted and considered genuine Cobras.





Disclaimer: This was not started by me so don't go there.