I don't consider my Shelby a "kit" and never will. I serious doubt many CSX owners would either nor do I see or get the sense that the term "kit" is or is beginning to generically include them. Quite the contrary. I see and get the sense that over the years they have been accepted and considered genuine Cobras.
You may have missed this page in the Registry on component Cobras.
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You may have missed this page in the Registry on component Cobras.
No, I didn't miss that page. Actually, You (and Rodknock) need to read it carefully.. Especially the first sentence. That part of the page needs to be read in context with the rest of the discussion also.
The Continuation Cobras are copies of the original series. That's self evident. Hence "continuation" Cobras and not originals but genuine Cobras none the less. Thats the bottom line.
Rodneym: was at a car show Fathers day. Didnt bring any car. Just there looking and listening. I think it's fair to say the average Joe does not know a Street Beast "replica" as that term is now used and understood by the public from an original. In my experience most ask "is it Real" because they really don't know and don't know enough to be able to tell the difference. There is usually no nefarious motive. My read on it. They love "Cobras" and want to learn in most cases and I love educating them when I have the chance and the time. To me it's about keeping the interest in these cars alive whether replica or real.
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I always enjoy remembering the lady SCCA Concours judge telling the other judge that Dick Smith's 198 was a replica because it didn't have Shelby's signature on the dash. Several of us witnessed that one.
Same Belmont Concours you were at, 3170, where they tried to park your ass next to the replicas.
The first thing I jump out of my pants (if you can imagine that) saying, usually loudly, is that it's arruminum. At Monterey last year, Brent and Tom Kirkham can attest to me coming close to thrashing a moron trying to sit on my rear fender while his friends were taking a picture...sucker actually tried to argue with me about it. Some folks think the brushed arruminum is a paint job of some sort...I tend to wonder what they drank or snorted.
The second thing is me going out of my way assplaining it's a reproduction...and then going even further out of my way to assplain how it began life in a MiG factory in Poland and on and on. Most folks who ask if it's real or fake know something about Shelby and the story of the Cobra (real or fake stories), but they tend to perk up more than a little when you give them the Kirkham story...a bit closer in time (end of the Cold War) for them to latch onto.
I find that original Cobra owners tend to have a great deal of patience...not sure I would. I get slightly bent when somebody asks if one of my watches is a fake.
I always enjoy remembering the lady SCCA Concours judge telling the other judge that Dick Smith's 198 was a replica because it didn't have Shelby's signature on the dash. Several of us witnessed that one.
Same Belmont Concours you were at, 3170, where they tried to park your ass next to the replicas.
The first thing I jump out of my pants (if you can imagine that) saying, usually loudly, is that it's arruminum. At Monterey last year, Brent and Tom Kirkham can attest to me coming close to thrashing a moron trying to sit on my rear fender while his friends were taking a picture...sucker actually tried to argue with me about it. Some folks think the brushed arruminum is a paint job of some sort...I tend to wonder what they drank or snorted.
The second thing is me going out of my way assplaining it's a reproduction...and then going even further out of my way to assplain how it began life in a MiG factory in Poland and on and on. Most folks who ask if it's real or fake know something about Shelby and the story of the Cobra (real or fake stories), but they tend to perk up more than a little when you give them the Kirkham story...a bit closer in time (end of the Cold War) for them to latch onto.
I find that original Cobra owners tend to have a great deal of patience...not sure I would. I get slightly bent when somebody asks if one of my watches is a fake.
Well anyone sitting or trying to sit on a fender needs an ass-kicking.
Not sure what it is called but there is a "paint" that gives that metal look but it flows just like water. You have to get the body perfect because the smallest imperfection will show up. Usually on high end cars. What does the brushed alloyluminum lol look like up close?
Well anyone sitting or trying to sit on a fender needs an ass-kicking.
Not sure what it is called but there is a "paint" that gives that metal look but it flows just like water. You have to get the body perfect because the smallest imperfection will show up. Usually on high end cars. What does the brushed alloyluminum lol look like up close?
There's a definite grain that flows over the body...enough for static cling numbers to fly off at about 5mph. I s'pose if you put a trowel to some of that paint before it dries?
Some folks take it down to more of a satin finish...almost no grain.
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Ok this is one of two questions that I've wanted to ask for some years now. I use to be a member of SAAC over 25 yeaars ago and it was during that time I would ask this question. Now with more replicas on the market and being out in Cali driving a real S/C model it does get a bit bothersome.
Guys with original Cobras(either 289 or 427) how many times do you get asked is it a real Cobra, a kit or replica by guys that have no or little clue...and does that bother you?
As a long time member of SAAC (30+ years),
When I've had the pleasure to drive an original CSX2000 or CSX3000 series car, I am proud to let anyone who asks know yes, it is an original.
When I have the pleasure of driving the CSX4000 and up "continuation series" cars, again I am proud to let people who ask know it is a continuation series Cobra not produced in the 60's.
When I have the pleasure of driving a Cobra replica, again I proudly let people know it is indeed a replica and if they ask further let them know which brand it is.
Either you enjoy driving the car(s) or you do not. If you do drive them, you can expect to grab a higher than normal amount of attention by doing so. If you cannot mentally handle that, then perhaps selling it and buying a Prius would suit your current temperament
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I get slightly bent when somebody asks if one of my watches is a fake.
I'm going to promote the use of the term 'Tribute Cobra'. After all, you've got your 'tribute' rock bands that are ever-so-nearly the real deal - but not.
I'm going to promote the use of the term 'Tribute Cobra'. After all, you've got your 'tribute' rock bands that are ever-so-nearly the real deal - but not.
Or perhaps spelled with a 'K', Kobra as is done with imitation Krab made from Surimi.
I'm going to promote the use of the term 'Tribute Cobra'. After all, you've got your 'tribute' rock bands that are ever-so-nearly the real deal - but not.
I believe the correct terminology is "cover band." Cover Cobra? Nope.
Just my opinion, but these "Is it real?" threads are boring.
Now give me a good "FE vs Windsor" thread or maybe a good "build" thread where the OP posts some bodacious pics of their just received ARP rod and intake bolts and now we're talking "Game 7 NBA Finals" type excitement.
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I believe the correct terminology is "cover band." Cover Cobra? Nope.
Just my opinion, but these "Is it real?" threads are boring.
Now give me a good "FE vs Windsor" thread or maybe a good "build" thread where the OP posts some bodacious pics of their just received ARP rod and intake bolts and now we're talking "Game 7 NBA Finals" type excitement.
REALLY???
Have a look at all the heavy hitters this thread has brought out to play...
Nedsel
A-snake
Mr Mustang
Real1
ERA Chas
Patrickt
#3170
Even Jamo's back joining in the fray, and launching the three ball...
Have I missed anyone?
This is more like a "Getting-the-band-back-together" Blues Bros. style thread, rather than a "Cover band" thread
I say Game on...
...and PS: GO SPURS!! My fingers are crossed for game 7.
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Yes, really.
Albert Einstein said INSANITY is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Love your work RodKnock, but I always thought Albert was overrated. haha.
So I'll see your Albert Einstein, and raise you William Blake
‘If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise.’
Perhaps persisting with this topic means we are closer to a wiser resolution
Or perhaps not, but I'm having fun munching all that popcorn along the way. Bing... I think I hear the microwave...
"Tribute" sounds too Romanesque. Makes me think of Bath, the worst combination of Roman and English meddling. I keep getting lost in Bath. Bunch of wankers laid it out, and then a bunch of wankers forgot to put up street signs.
More importantly, in Season 5 Episode 1 (6/12) of Royal Pains on the USA Network, the character Paige, Evan's new wife, drives a Cobra, which manufacturer is it? Let's be more productive with our time.
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I know Patrick will figure it out. He's smart.
Of course he will. Now, whether he chooses to share it with others, probably not. But, we all know that when a neophyte asks "Is it real?" they are asking if it is one of the 1960 jobs. They are not looking for an interpretation of the SAAC registry, a splitting of the hairs here, or dodging of the hairs there. Any answer that does not begin with "No, it isn't, but..." creates the appearance of impropriety, even if the response is not technically incorrect to those of us who "know the procedural rules."
Of course he will. Now, whether he chooses to share it with others, probably not. But, we all know that when a neophyte asks "Is it real?" they are asking if it is one of the 1960 jobs. They are not looking for an interpretation of the SAAC registry, a splitting of the hairs here, or dodging of the hairs there. Any answer that does not begin with "No, it isn't, but..." creates the appearance of impropriety, even if the response is not technically incorrect to those of us who "know the procedural rules."
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But, we all know that when a neophyte asks "Is it real?" they are asking if it is one of the 1960 jobs. They are not looking for an interpretation of the SAAC registry, a splitting of the hairs here, or dodging of the hairs there. Any answer that does not begin with "No, it isn't, but..." creates the appearance of impropriety, even if the response is not technically incorrect to those of us who "know the procedural rules."
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