Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[twobjshelbys]

CSX4815's opinion is shared by many. When in CO a fellow CSX owner was having a problem and I suggested he ask here, and said he would just be berated about buying the car and never get an answer. He pretty much nailed it.

[kevins2]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

CSX4815's opinion is shared by many. When in CO a fellow CSX owner was having a problem and I suggested he ask here, and said he would just be berated about buying the car and never get an answer. He pretty much nailed it.

Tony,

It actually doesn't have to be that way. I've been on this site for a little shy of 4 years and, particularly in the early stages when I was building my car, I asked a lot of questions and got input to help solve problems or to help me understand something better. In hindsight, some of my questions were pretty dumb but nobody flamed me for asking for help. I assume that was because even the dumb questions were asked honestly with no attitude, ego, my car's better than your car, unsolicited opinions, etc. None of that nonsense. If you check all of that at the keyboard, this site can be very helpful.

Kevin

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by kevins2

Tony,

It actually doesn't have to be that way. I've been on this site for a little shy of 4 years and, particularly in the early stages when I was building my car, I asked a lot of questions and got input to help solve problems or to help me understand something better. In hindsight, some of my questions were pretty dumb but nobody flamed me for asking for help. I assume that was because even the dumb questions were asked honestly with no attitude, ego, my car's better than your car, unsolicited opinions, etc. None of that nonsense. If you check all of that at the keyboard, this site can be very helpful.

Kevin

Your experience in those days was the same as mine (I lurked around late 2008-ish and joined in 2009). The forum was very helpful in sorting things out when I was making my purchase decision. The anti-Shelby bias was not as rampant then. When I was having the DFI issues there were lots of good pointers and suggestions. It's only in the past year or so that the primary focus has become the essence of this topic. Over and over again.

I think the only outstanding technical question I still have is "which are the boy bolts, which are the girl bolts, when do they mate, and why do they drop their children on my garage floor".

[JBCOBRA]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Your experience in those days was the same as mine (2008-ish). When I was having the DFI issues there were lots of good pointers and suggestions. It's only in the past year or so that the primary focus has become the essence of this topic. Over and over again.

I think the only outstanding technical question I still have is "which are the boy bolts, which are the girl bolts, when do they mate, and why do they drop their children on my garage floor".

True. One word for all is. Evan

[JBCOBRA]

Oy Vey

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by JBCOBRA

Oy Vey

Someone stole my line.

But I agree.

[RodKnock]

And for those complaining about this thread. Jamo has setup a sticky for us to play in the playground. As long as were main civil to each other, the thread won't get closed.

But, for those that don't like the thread, just do as the Australians do, or Patrick, or hundreds of others, just ignore it.

[Dimis]

Evan & RK: A yes/no answer ONLY please. No clarification required, no further justifications requested.

When some random Joe public asks the question: "is it real?"

Do you believe they are wanting to know if it one of the 998 from the 1960s?

Evan can you please go first?

Many thanks for your cooperation.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Evan & RK: A yes/no answer ONLY please. No clarification required, no further justifications requested.

When some random Joe public asks the question: "is it real?"

Do you believe they are wanting to know if it one of the 998 from the 1960s?

Evan can you please go first?

Many thanks for your cooperation.

Really???? I have answered this question many many times before. Not getting on this merry go round again.

Nevertheless let me be perfectly clear. I don't have to nor will I be guided whether I can refer to my car as a genuine Shelby Cobra on preconceived notions of Joe Blow. Don't give a rat patuty about what Joe Blow thinks or wants to know or doesn't think and doesn't want to know. My answer is yes its a real Shelby Cobra but not an original series Shelby. I tell them its not an original but a current production Shelby. After that...he/she can think what he/she wants. Couldn't care less.

However, in every case I've been asked people's reaction is excitement and amazement of seeing a Shelby. Hard for you or others to understand I'm sure since clearly you guys never experienced it.

Give it a rest.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Evan & RK: A yes/no answer ONLY please. No clarification required, no further justifications requested.

When some random Joe public asks the question: "is it real?"

Do you believe they are wanting to know if it one of the 998 from the 1960s?

Evan can you please go first?

Many thanks for your cooperation.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Really???? I have answered this question many many times before. Not getting on this merry go round again.

Nevertheless let me be perfectly clear. I don't have to nor will I be guided whether I can refer to my car as a genuine Shelby Cobra on preconceived notions of Joe Blow. Don't give a rat patuty about what Joe Blow thinks or wants to know or doesn't think and doesn't want to know. My answer is yes its a real Shelby Cobra but not an original series Shelby. I tell them its not an original but a current production Shelby. After that...he/she can think what he/she wants. Couldn't care less.

However, in every case I've been asked people's reaction is excitement and amazement of seeing a Shelby. Hard for you or others to understand I'm sure since clearly you guys never experienced it.

Give it a rest.

Thanks Evan...

Over to you RK... Pretty easy question I thought.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Evan & RK: A yes/no answer ONLY please. No clarification required, no further justifications requested.

When some random Joe public asks the question: "is it real?"

Do you believe they are wanting to know if it one of the 998 from the 1960s?

Evan can you please go first?

Many thanks for your cooperation.

Yes. But as someone not-so-famous (Evan) once wrote "I have answered this question many many times before. Not getting on this merry go round again."

Originally Posted by REAL 1

My answer is yes its a real Shelby Cobra but not an original series Shelby. I tell them its not an original but a current production Shelby.

If your answer doesn't stop at the "yes" then it's replica just like everyone else's. Anything after the "yes" is just a story. And anyone that reacts with excitement and amazement, because it's a Shelby, versus another brand of replica, just didn't understand the story.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes. But as someone not-so-famous (Evan) once wrote "I have answered this question many many times before. Not getting on this merry go round again."



If your answer doesn't stop at the "yes" then it's replica just like everyone else's. Anything after the "yes" is just a story. And anyone that reacts with excitement and amazement, because it's a Shelby, versus another brand of replica, just didn't understand the story.

Then I must interpret by what you are saying is that since only the 998 have any value your car because it is just a lowly replica has no inherent or intrinsic value, only scrap. I'll give you $75. Aluminum like that gets a pretty good price here. I'll make it $85 if your engine is also aluminum.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Then I must interpret by what you are saying is that since only the 998 have any value your car because it is just a lowly replica has no inherent or intrinsic value, only scrap. I'll give you $75. Aluminum like that gets a pretty good price here. I'll make it $85 if your engine is also aluminum.

Huh? Oy vey.

Your interpretation skills leave a lot to be desired. And your participation in this thread is really unnecessary. And people think my posts are nonsense.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Huh? Oy vey.

Your interpretation skills leave a lot to be desired. And your participation in this thread is really unnecessary. And people think my posts are nonsense.

Oh, I think my interpretation skills are very high. But we must be getting close when you have to throw out personal attacks. Eh?

Going to dinner now.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Then I must interpret by what you are saying is that since only the 998 have any value your car because it is just a lowly replica has no inherent or intrinsic value, only scrap. I'll give you $75. Aluminum like that gets a pretty good price here. I'll make it $85 if your engine is also aluminum.

Mate, you are reading this all wrong - its NOT my kits is better than yours issue, its NOT an hierarchical issue, its NOT a jealousy issue... Pretending it is, is to avoid the point.

Its a simple issue of being purposefully dishonest to feed ones own ego.

Think of it like this: If we were both watching a tribute band, belting the same tunes as the real band, and I told your buddy, that the band was the REAL deal, would you not feel I was duping your mate? How would you view me if I did that, and we both KNEW that the band wasn't the real thing?

Simplez... If it aint one of the 998 from the 1960s, best get real, and not leave anyone with the impression that it is, lest you wish to be a "ban-me-for-swearing"...

Does Shelby's snake oil hold no bounds?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Think of it like this: If we were both watching a tribute band, belting the same tunes as the real band, and I told your buddy, that the band was the REAL deal, would you not feel I was duping your mate?

I prefer my Dolly The Sheep Analogy, but I'll add yours, the Tribute Band, to the list too.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Mate, you are reading this all wrong - its NOT my kits is better than yours issue, its NOT an hierarchical issue, its NOT a jealousy issue... Pretending it is, is to avoid the point.

Its a simple issue of being purposefully dishonest to feed ones own ego.

Think of it like this: If we were both watching a tribute band, belting the same tunes as the real band, and I told your buddy, that the band was the REAL deal, would you not feel I was duping your mate? How would you view me if I did that, and we both KNEW that the band wasn't the real thing?

Simplez... If it aint one of the 998 from the 1960s, best get real, and not leave anyone with the impression that it is, lest you wish to be a "ban-me-for-swearing"...

Does Shelby's snake oil hold no bounds?

I expected more from you. You obviously don't get it either or if you do you have your own "agenda". And yes, it is about ego. Absolutely...Its about the ego of those that don't own these cars having to tear down what they don't own. Cut the crap "mate". Let's not twist it pal.

You analogy is piss poor on a number of grounds but of course the sour grape "follow alongs" blindly think its just great. . Comical. You and your buddies can think of it "like that" (I and other Continuation owners don't that's for sure)as it explains why you and the rest continue to provide lame contorted arguments to support the unsupportable.

You obviously don't have a Registry or haven't read it or don't understand what you read or more likely like the others didn't like what you read and have a sour grapes agenda.

I've provided analogies directly on all fours that were simply ignored or brushed aside with inane analysis. Won't waste any further time on that one.

Why so combative???? Really? Not combative....just protecting the facts, law and Registry and calling BS when I see it. There's a lot of that here. .

Its all in Registry boys. Facts, law, Registry.

P.S. As to your idea to have a poll on this site on this issue, its a chance to actually see the maxim of "garbage in garbage out" in action. Perfect. Poll results here will definitely get me to through my Registry in the garbage. .

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by Dimis

...
Think of it like this: If we were both watching a tribute band, belting the same tunes as the real band, and I told your buddy, that the band was the REAL deal, would you not feel I was duping your mate? How would you view me if I did that, and we both KNEW that the band wasn't the real thing... ?

funny that u mentioned tribute band.. 20+years ago, I went to a Guns N Rose concert. flash forward to 2012, i was abroad in United Kingdom and I went to a GnR concert. Now I can tell friends I saw the original, real GnR band and a genuine continuation GnR band.
thanks cobra guys!

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes. But as someone not-so-famous (Evan) once wrote "I have answered this question many many times before. Not getting on this merry go round again."



If your answer doesn't stop at the "yes" then it's replica just like everyone else's. Anything after the "yes" is just a story. And anyone that reacts with excitement and amazement, because it's a Shelby, versus another brand of replica, just didn't understand the story.

Thank you RK.

...and that right there, ladies and gentlemen, is why people, en masse, don't jive with REAL1 on this topic.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes. But as someone not-so-famous (Evan) once wrote "I have answered this question many many times before. Not getting on this merry go round again."



If your answer doesn't stop at the "yes" then it's replica just like everyone else's. Anything after the "yes" is just a story. And anyone that reacts with excitement and amazement, because it's a Shelby, versus another brand of replica, just didn't understand the story.

Yes, yes. So you say. Yes. Sure. If it makes you happy. Maybe if you close our eyes, say it three times and click your heels like Dorothy maybe the simple facts, law and Registry will just disappear and you'll be in Kansas again.

Unfortunately for you and the rest of the sour grapes gang the facts, law and the World Registry say the opposite.

Sorry, but carry on.