Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[ASO544]

Is the only difference between a Superformance Mk111 and a " Continuation" is the Shelby chassis plate/number? Meaning both cars are built in South Africa then one is sent to SAI and fitting with drivetrain and engraved/plaqued while the other is outfitted with powertrain elsewhere.

I live by the rule if it's titled as a 65 but built after that.... It's a replica regardless of who assembled it or gave its blessing.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ASO544

Is the only difference between a Superformance Mk111 and a " Continuation" is the Shelby chassis plate/number? Meaning both cars are built in South Africa then one is sent to SAI and fitting with drivetrain and engraved/plaqued while the other is outfitted with powertrain elsewhere.

I live by the rule if it's titled as a 65 but built after that.... It's a replica regardless of who assembled it or gave its blessing.

SPF-Square tube chassis
CSX-Round tube chassis


Built in the same plant, but on two completely separate assembly lines.

[mikeinatlanta]

Back to the original question in the thread title. The answer is ego, arrogance, and narcissistic behavior.

Ego: How you feel about yourself. Nothing wrong with an inflated ego.

Arrogance: How you ego drives feelings about others. One could argue that true arrogance is more driven by low self esteem rather than an overinflated ego.

Narcissistic behavior: How arrogance tends to manifest itself through poor behavior. The narcissist can only gain a temporary sense of self worth by ensuring that others are beneath him. Key being temporary, hence the ongoing behavior.

Sad, but what else would you expect when you combine car enthusiasts and the occasional arrogant narcissist?

[ASO544]

Thanks for the info

Originally Posted by mrmustang

SPF-Square tube chassis
CSX-Round tube chassis


Built in the same plant, but on two completely separate assembly lines.

[Xack]

Rolex kit? I know a guy with a notepad, pencil and a couch you might want to check out. ��

[lnfletcher]

"Welcome to Club Cobra...The world's largest non-biased Cobra site!" Doesn't seem to fit these threads!

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by lnfletcher

"Welcome to Club Cobra...The world's largest non-biased Cobra site!" Doesn't seem to fit these threads!

The CC site may be, but there have been no promises made as to the members.

Caveat emptor.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

The CC site may be, but there have been no promises made as to the members.

Caveat emptor.

Amen to that one.

[Thor maine]

I have worn a Seiko Diver since the early eighties.

[LMH]

1957 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol finished 2nd in class, 10th overall.
1958 Le Mans 24 hours, Tojeiro Le Mans special AC and a production AC Ace, 2nd and 3rd
in class, 8th and 9th overall.
1959 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol (private entry), 1st place due to accidents/DNF's, 7th overall.
Larry

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by LMH

1957 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol finished 2nd in class, 10th overall.
1958 Le Mans 24 hours, Tojeiro Le Mans special AC and a production AC Ace, 2nd and 3rd
in class, 8th and 9th overall.
1959 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol (private entry), 1st place due to accidents/DNF's, 7th overall.
Larry

Nicely done Larry, I don't think I would have wasted my time based on his demonstrated inability to accept facts.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

...
As to AC competing with a car at Le Mans, tell me was that a pre-Shelby developed chassis or post? Please let us know when you find the answer.
...

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by LMH

1957 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol finished 2nd in class, 10th overall.
1958 Le Mans 24 hours, Tojeiro Le Mans special AC and a production AC Ace, 2nd and 3rd
in class, 8th and 9th overall.
1959 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol (private entry), 1st place due to accidents/DNF's, 7th overall.
Larry

Thanks for the facts. But the missing fact is:

1960+ NOT

[LMH]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Thanks for the facts. But the missing fact is:

1960+ NOT

AC Ace Bristols raced in 1960, 1961 and 1962 Le Mans 24 hours. Factory support private teams but raced no the less. I'm not sure of their results.
Larry

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by LMH

AC Ace Bristols raced in 1960, 1961 and 1962 Le Mans 24 hours. Factory support private teams but raced no the less. I'm not sure of their results.
Larry

Which underscores my point. Without Shelby no one today care about or know the results post '63 either assuming there were AC race results to know about.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta

... Narcissistic behavior: How arrogance tends to manifest itself through poor behavior. The narcissist can only gain a temporary sense of self worth by ensuring that others are beneath him. Key being temporary, hence the ongoing behavior.

Sad, but what else would you expect when you combine car enthusiasts and the occasional arrogant narcissist?

I think I get it, but check me on this.
In this discussion of two enthusiasts there is one that is clearly a narcissist?

jhv48 ... So if an original cobra is the wheat, you're calling all the rest chaff?

REAL 1 ... to me Shelby Cobras whether original or continuation are wheat. The rest is chaff.

jhv48 ... Separating wheat from chaff is to separate the part of the wheat that is valuable from that that is worthless. If that is what you meant, then you're calling all the replicas (other than yours of course) worthless?

REAL 1 ... To me Shelby Cobras Continuation or original are the wheat. The rest is the Chaff as far as not being genuine Cobras.
I already own a Shelby Cobra. Its those that own a fake of a Shelby Cobra here that appear irked to me because I am saying like I see it.

[Jamo]

Joe T...beautiful...anytime you need something here, just whisper "Panerai" and you got it. My everyday pen...and I write a lot by hand in labor negotiations, court, etc. is an MB LeGrand rollerball...MB has some of best flowing ink around/a pleasure to guide along the paper.

Thor maine...one of the icons of the divers' group! Post a pic of that bad boy.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Joe T...beautiful...anytime you need something here, just whisper "Panerai" and you got it. My everyday pen...and I write a lot by hand in labor negotiations, court, etc. is an MB LeGrand rollerball...MB has some of best flowing ink around/a pleasure to guide along the paper.

Thor maine...one of the icons of the divers' group! Post a pic of that bad boy.

I'm reporting your "watch and pen" post to the moderator.

[LMH]

CS2131 was the AC Cars entry in the 1963 Le Mans 24 hours. It was a Shelby chassis (CS designation) not exported but entered/prepped and raced by AC Cars Ltd. The U.S. entry was CSX2142, prepared/raced by Ed Hugus. (Who btw, also played a role in the early development of the Cobra)
Larry

[LMH]

This is an interesting photo. 1959 Le Mans 24hr, AC Ace Bristol. Note the side vent which showed up later in the Cobra's.
Larry

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by LMH

This is an interesting photo. 1959 Le Mans 24hr, AC Ace Bristol. Note the side vent which showed up later in the Cobra's.
Larry

Yes, and it also had evolved beyond the Tojeiro Barchetta style body by then too without Tojeiro input.