Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Joe T...beautiful...anytime you need something here, just whisper "Panerai" and you got it. My everyday pen...and I write a lot by hand in labor negotiations, court, etc. is an MB LeGrand rollerball...MB has some of best flowing ink around/a pleasure to guide along the paper.

Thor maine...one of the icons of the divers' group! Post a pic of that bad boy.

I'm reporting your "watch and pen" post to the moderator.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by LMH

1957 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol finished 2nd in class, 10th overall.
1958 Le Mans 24 hours, Tojeiro Le Mans special AC and a production AC Ace, 2nd and 3rd
in class, 8th and 9th overall.
1959 Le Mans 24 hours, AC Ace Bristol (private entry), 1st place due to accidents/DNF's, 7th overall.
Larry

Thanks for the facts. But the missing fact is:

1960+ NOT

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

ASO544: I think glass chassis CSX cars are manufactured in South Africa. I'm not sure about HST anymore. Stopped following it.
Aluminum Shelbys are another story.

HST went out of business 4 years ago or so. (Not just their Cobra business which was more or less a hobby/passion, but their armored/special vehicle division which you think would have been a sustainable business.) HST also did the carbon fiber cars. They also built (as finished vehicles) the CSX40xxLA series for delivery in Mexico.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Thanks for the facts. But the missing fact is:

1960+ NOT

AC Ace Bristols raced in 1960, 1961 and 1962 Le Mans 24 hours. Factory support private teams but raced no the less. I'm not sure of their results.
Larry

[LMH]

This is an interesting photo. 1959 Le Mans 24hr, AC Ace Bristol. Note the side vent which showed up later in the Cobra's.
Larry

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by LMH

AC Ace Bristols raced in 1960, 1961 and 1962 Le Mans 24 hours. Factory support private teams but raced no the less. I'm not sure of their results.
Larry

Which underscores my point. Without Shelby no one today care about or know the results post '63 either assuming there were AC race results to know about.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by LMH

This is an interesting photo. 1959 Le Mans 24hr, AC Ace Bristol. Note the side vent which showed up later in the Cobra's.
Larry

Yes, and it also had evolved beyond the Tojeiro Barchetta style body by then too without Tojeiro input.

[REAL 1]

What do you guys think of Breitlings?

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

What do you guys think of Breitlings?

Real or replicas?

[buddyg]

Who the f*%$ cares call your car whatever you want but get out and drive whatever you got.

You can't fix stupid.

[buddyg]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

What do you guys think of Breitlings?

Great watches I would love to own one.

[Joe's Garage]

An interesting read regarding recent history of the replica wars. I missed this earlier, seems AC Cars did speak up regarding cobra rights. The question I have is did this happen or is ongoing?

Meanwhile John Tojeiro has attached his name to a Cobra replica produced by the British Dax company and Carroll Shelby first started completing "leftover" 1966 Cobra 427 S/C models in 1989 and then introduced his own replica Cobra in 1995 (known as CSX 4000, named after the continuation of the original chassis numbers). Then some bickering started about who owned the rights to what regarding the Cobra, but ultimately the dust settled down and history repeats itself: starting from 2004 Shelby Automobiles will offer the Shelby AC Cobra CSX 1000 (meaning the new chassis numbers will precede the original CSX 2000 (Mk I & II) and CSX 3000 (Mk III) numbers), with chassis and body produced by AC in Britain using the original tools and then shipped over to be completed by Shelby in the US. A car conceived more than 50 years ago and still touching the hearts of car enthusiasts; the characteristics of a true classic.

AC Shelby Cobra: the serpent icon - page 6 of 7

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

An interesting read regarding recent history of the replica wars. I missed this earlier, seems AC Cars did speak up regarding cobra rights. The question I have is did this happen or is ongoing?

Meanwhile John Tojeiro has attached his name to a Cobra replica produced by the British Dax company and Carroll Shelby first started completing "leftover" 1966 Cobra 427 S/C models in 1989 and then introduced his own replica Cobra in 1995 (known as CSX 4000, named after the continuation of the original chassis numbers). Then some bickering started about who owned the rights to what regarding the Cobra, but ultimately the dust settled down and history repeats itself: starting from 2004 Shelby Automobiles will offer the Shelby AC Cobra CSX 1000 (meaning the new chassis numbers will precede the original CSX 2000 (Mk I & II) and CSX 3000 (Mk III) numbers), with chassis and body produced by AC in Britain using the original tools and then shipped over to be completed by Shelby in the US. A car conceived more than 50 years ago and still touching the hearts of car enthusiasts; the characteristics of a true classic.

AC Shelby Cobra: the serpent icon - page 6 of 7

The CSX1000 cars have also been discussed in a separate dedicated topic, but having seen three of them in person, they are without a doubt the most perfect looking Cobras you will ever see. The craftsmanship in the alloy body is simply flawless. I've never seen a fiberglass (or carbon fiber, mine) that didn't have some little flaw that would shouw up in just the right light, but those 1000 alloy cars. Wow. An owner pipes in here occasionally.

[REAL 1]

Ulysis Nardins are beautiful too.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

The CSX1000 cars have also been discussed in a separate dedicated topic, but having seen three of them in person, they are without a doubt the most perfect looking Cobras you will ever see. The craftsmanship in the alloy body is simply flawless. I've never seen a fiberglass (or carbon fiber, mine) that didn't have some little flaw that would shouw up in just the right light, but those 1000 alloy cars. Wow. An owner pipes in here occasionally.

Thanks for the info, cool.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

What do you guys think of Breitlings?

Love my Breitling Navatimer World (dual time zone in addition to the chronograph complications). 46mm Multiple straps and bracelet. May get another model to keep it company.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Ulysis Nardins are beautiful too.

Some nice models, but many over the top with graphics and colors for my taste.

[4pipes]

Ahhhh. This is more fun than arguing over Cobra authenticity! I have two Pateks that I acquired in 1985 and 1992. The original Nautilus and the 3940 Perptual. No where's near the size or yours, Jamo, but beautiful non the less.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Some nice models, but many over the top with graphics and colors for my taste.

Yea, agree but I like some of the simpler models. Really want to get a square or rectangular face model.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

Real or replicas?

You should know the answer to that one.