Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[REAL 1]

It's all explained the the SAAC World Registry. Even the SAAC forum categories break down separate CSX Cobra categories separate from "Replica and Tributes" consistent with the breakdown in the SAAC World Registry.

Not hard stuff to understand. Really.

Hey, you guys have a wonderful day.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

It's all explained the the SAAC World Registry. Even the SAAC forum categories break down separate CSX Cobra categories separate from "Replica and Tributes" consistent with the breakdown in the SAAC World Registry.

Not hard stuff to understand. Really.

Hey, you guys have a wonderful day.

It's definitely "Cobra-like" and a "true replica" as the Registry cites too. CS/SAI just didn't think they would sell if they were called replicas. Right there in the Registry.

And the SAAC Cobra Registrar, one of the leading historians on Shelby Cobras, has said the CSX1000/4000/6000/7000/8000 Cobras are replicas.

Not the same assembly process, not the same sales/warranty process, not the same company, not the same employees, not the same materials and not the same era. They're clones like Dolly The Sheep. But really nice ones.

Definitely, not hard stuff to understand. Hey, you too have a wonderful day. Love ya!

[jhv48]

I find it interesting that someone who purportedly could "care less" repeatedly jumps back in to defend his position every time he's challenged.

He doesn't seem to understand that if he really could "care less", all he needs to do is stop taking the bait and cease to respond. Then this thread would have died after two pages.

Unfortunately, only for him, (he provides oodles of entertainment for the rest of us) his "need to be right" is so strong that he can't control himself. That's what makes him so easy to provoke.

He is so wrapped up in his "need to be right" that he doesn't realize that he alone has the power to shut down this thread.

Now, back to the show!

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

It's definitely "Cobra-like" and a "true replica" as the Registry cites too. CS/SAI just didn't think they would sell if they were called replicas. Right there in the Registry.

And the SAAC Cobra Registrar, one of the leading historians on Shelby Cobras, has said the CSX1000/4000/6000/7000/8000 Cobras are replicas.

Not the same assembly process, not the same sales/warranty process, not the same company, not the same employees, not the same materials and not the same era. They're clones like Dolly The Sheep. But really nice ones.

Definitely, not hard stuff to understand. Hey, you too have a wonderful day. Love ya!

I think I understand now. Today you can buy a "Camaro-like" vehicle. Camaros have not been in continuous production since the 1960s. It is not really the same company after the government took it over and gave it to the union employees. It is certainly not built by the same employees with the same materials, the warranty is different, the recommended service schedule is not the same, and it is certainly not the 1960s anymore. Yet these cars do somewhat replicate the look of the Camaros of the 1960s.

I cannot believe the current incarnation of Chevy calls their cars Camaros instead of labeling a more correct term like "real Chevy Camaro-ish replica thingy".

And don't even think about starting a discussion about the new so-called Dodge Dart or VW Beetle.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I think I understand now. Today you can buy a "Camaro-like" vehicle. Camaros have not been in continuous production since the 1960s. It is not really the same company after the government took it over and gave it to the union employees. It is certainly not built by the same employees with the same materials, the warranty is different, the recommended service schedule is not the same, and it is certainly not the 1960s anymore. Yet these cars do somewhat replicate the look of the Camaros of the 1960s.

I cannot believe the current incarnation of Chevy calls their cars Camaros instead of labeling a more correct term like "real Chevy Camaro-ish replica thingy".

And don't even think about starting a discussion about the new so-called Dodge Dart or VW Beetle.

Is the new Camaro, with air bags, impact protection, all emissions equipment, plastic everywhere, side impact beams, etc., etc. a clone of the 1967-1968, 1969, the 1970's version(s), the 1980's, 1990's, the 2000's version? I can't tell. Side by side, do they really look like twins? Seriously? Nope.

"Somewhat replicate?" 2015 Camaro versus 1967 Camaro? Shelby Cobra versus Shelby Cobra replica?

The original 1967 came with a warranty and you could drive off the lot, just like today for the 2015 Camaro. Can you drive off the lot of a Shelby dealer with the car registered, drivable and with a warranty? Nope.

Will the new Camaro ever be confused with the original? Really? Say like an original 1960's Shelby Cobra that's value could be in the millions being confused with a CSX4000/6000? Nope.

And GM never stopped producing cars, but went through a restructuring. Still the same company. If they revive the Pontiac division and start to build a new GTO, then do you think it will ever be confused with the old Goat? Come on, really?

There are only 998 original Shelby Cobras and the person in charge of keeping their history, is on record as saying the modern Shelby Cobra replica is a REPLICA. And the registry references it as a "true replica" and "Cobra-like." I didn't make up those terms nor are they taken out of context.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Is the new Camaro, with air bags, impact protection, all emissions equipment, plastic everywhere, side impact beams, etc., etc. a clone of the 1967-1968, 1969, the 1970's version(s), the 1980's, 1990's, the 2000's version? I can't tell. Side by side, do they really look like twins? Seriously? Nope.

"Somewhat replicate?" 2015 Camaro versus 1967 Camaro? Shelby Cobra versus Shelby Cobra replica?

The original 1967 came with a warranty and you could drive off the lot, just like today for the 2015 Camaro. Can you drive off the lot of a Shelby dealer with the car registered, drivable and with a warranty? Nope.

Will the new Camaro ever be confused with the original? Really? Say like an original 1960's Shelby Cobra that's value could be in the millions being confused with a CSX4000/6000? Nope.

And GM never stopped producing cars, but went through a restructuring. Still the same company. If they revive the Pontiac division and start to build a new GTO, then do you think it will ever be confused with the old Goat? Come on, really?

There are only 998 original Shelby Cobras and the person in charge of keeping their history, is on record as saying the modern Shelby Cobra replica is a REPLICA. And the registry references it as a "true replica" and "Cobra-like." I didn't make up those terms nor are they taken out of context.

Just a point of interest. While there are 998 original series Cobras there are only about 250 aluminum body continuation Cobras. Much rarer in fact than the originals at this time.

Further, I get and have received many many PMs from Contiuation Shelby owners and to a man they all agree with my position and what I have said on this cite on this issue but they recognize any discourse with owners here of "non" Shelby cars on this issue is a complete waste of time. They are correct on that and do not want to be the subject of personal attacks by the more petty and nasty here.

One of the nastier new arrivals here now apparently is smearing Continuation owners wiht the notion that acquiring a Shelby is more about showing others what you have. He is also apparently an expert on all issues Cobra but a psychoanalyst too.

While I can't speak for others on this count I believe most were motivated, like myself to acquire a Shelby as it was a chance to own a genuine Shelby Cobra at a price that was feasible to me at the time and allowed me to acquire a car I dreamed about as a kid. It was for me and no one else.

While it is true that I do have a plate that says REAL427 this is a plate that expresses the pride in my car. Unlike the Shelby detractors my plate is at least attached to a genuine Shelby Cobra while many of the Shelby detractors here that have also peronally attacked me for merely setting for the the facts and law have analogous plates affixed to cars that are in fact and law not Cobras to any degree except for mimicking the shape of a Shelby Cobra. Hypotrical in the extreme.

Classic Club Cobra. Just like the old days.

Hey, you guys sleep tight.

Flame on!

Facts, law, Registry.

[jhv48]

Didn't take long, did it?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Didn't take long, did it?

Stop in periodically for a laugh.

Flame on.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Just a point of interest. While there are 998 original series Cobras there are only about 250 aluminum body continuation Cobras. Much rarer in fact than the originals at this time.

Uh, what's your point? They'll never be more valuable than the original 998. They're still producing them. It's just a matter of time and people to fork over the bucks. And I'm sure there will be bunch more with the 3000 Resurrection (Competition) Series and the 50th Anniversary editions.

In the used Cobra market, the premium between a CSX replica and the Kirkham ain't much. And there shouldn't be, because only a plaque and some badges separate us.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Further, I get and have received many many PMs from Contiuation Shelby owners and to a man they all agree with my position and what I have said on this cite on this issue but they recognize any discourse with owners here of "non" Shelby cars on this issue is a complete waste of time. They are correct on that and do not want to be the subject of personal attacks by the more petty and nasty here.

And what's your point here? Are we tallying votes or something? Do you think the preponderance of votes would support that Shelby replicas are indeed genuine or real Shelby Cobras? Do you think others here don't feel the same way I do? They do. Did you see a bunch of folks "like" posts of mine and others with a like-minded view that modern Shelbys are replicas and cannot be genuine? Should I be surprised that your fellow Shelby Cobra replica owners support your position? I'm not.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

While it is true that I do have a plate that says REAL427 this is a plate that expresses the pride in my car.

Your plate states "REAL" because you believe it's a real Shelby Cobra and maybe you want others to think it's "real' as well. I don't know. What I do know is that your Shelby Cobra is a replica and thus cannot be genuine or real.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Facts, law, Registry.

Facts (cannot be both a replica and genuine), SAAC Cobra Registrar & Historian and other SAAC Board members, Registry ("Cobra-like", "component car", "true replica").

Lastly, as for "Registry", I think your hold on to that area of support is tenuous at best. The SAAC Cobra Registrar is on record as stating that he thought there was an agreement to remove all the replicas from the Registry and have SAAC only handle the original 1960's cars. We'll see what happens in the next edition of the Registry. Positions can change over time.

[Joe's Garage]

RodKnock just savor the moment.

We have replicas of the originals being compared to those originals (built 50 years earlier), and these replicas are "more rare" than the originals they copy because the on-going production total is less at this time.

Seriously folks, you can't make this sh!t up!

BTW, who knows roughly how many of the original 998 are actually left (still in existence)?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

RodKnock just savor the moment.

Seriously, I'm not trying to savor any moment, if there is one to be savored.

I'm trying to understand the logic. When something is cloned, 30, 40, 50 years later, and it's not really an exact clone either (e.g., the Kirkham alloy bodies are thicker than the original 998, original 1960's magnesium Halibrands, exhaust, headers, many have wrong engines and transmissions, suspension, brakes, differentials, paint, assembly, etc.), how can it be genuine?

What do you think the % of votes would be amongst the owners of the original 998, if they took a vote regarding the modern Shelby replicas being genuine? What about a vote amongst us non-Shelby replica owners, how would that turn out?

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

RodKnock just savor the moment.

We have replicas of the originals being compared to those originals (built 50 years earlier), and these replicas are "more rare" than the originals they copy because the on-going production total is less at this time.

Seriously folks, you can't make this sh!t up!

BTW, who knows roughly how many of the original 998 are actually left (still in existence)?

870. I had that same question a few weeks ago and hunted it down. I'll be damned if I can remember where I found it, though.

Edit: This post from 2004 says 890:
- 260-289 Cobra Built 655 Found 581
- 427 Cobra Built 348 Found 309

how many real cobras are left?

And, no, Evan's CSX4206 is not included in these numbers.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

RodKnock just savor the moment.

We have replicas of the originals being compared to those originals (built 50 years earlier), and these replicas are "more rare" than the originals they copy because the on-going production total is less at this time.

Seriously folks, you can't make this sh!t up!

BTW, who knows roughly how many of the original 998 are actually left (still in existence)?

I didn't say "replica" you did so you can savor the moment yourself with Rodknock. Now not only are you citing out of context you have to change words to make your point.

No, current production Cobra production figures wouldn't be included in original production figures silly.

As to the CSX4910 he is free to curry favor with you and the rest of the peanut gallery here by deprecating his car. That's up to him. Don't need friends like that. He can view his Shelby anyway he likes. You are free to think his self deprecation speaks volumes. He can be your poster child. Fact: the vast majority of owners see it differently than him and you... that's for sure! So does SAAC and the World Registry!

Envy is a terrible thing.

Facts, law and World Registry.

But keep "twisting" the facts the law and the Registry to meet with your position. Flame on!!!!