Continuation Cobras & SAAC

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Not a real Cobra, but a Shelby replica built 3 years ago, just like the 998 of the 60's (well, there were many less 427 SC, but we all know that). I always tell people it is not an original Cobra, but a replica built by Shelby.

Everyone doesn't get it. Not all Shelby replica owners believe they own a replica, but thankfully you do.

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

The Kirkham owners seem very resolute in propagating or perpetuating the notion that a Shelby Cobra is not worth its premium. Why not? The belief that modern technology (CNC for example) and aluminum have made the 60's obsolete and/or dumb does not trump the fact that Carroll Shelby is whom he is/was. No modern aluminum suspension and/or frame can quiet the glory of Shelby American's racing heritage.

I love the Kirkham polished aluminum cars. God, they are beautiful. I also drool when I see their aluminum everything! Yet, they are not Shelby.

There are other owners here with other brands that believe the Shelby replica isn't worth it. It's not just Kirkham owners. Personally, I thought the CSX plaque was worthless, to me, since it's a replica, built by a successor company 30-50 years later, not 1 of the 998. I consider the connection to be extremely distant at best. And then the Kirkham quality and customer service were excellent.

So, where does the "Shelby replica is not worth it" come from? Well, for instance the 50th Anniversary Shelby 427SC replica roller is $180,000. Kirkham supplies the entire roller to Shelby. You buy it at the same price painted or polished. $180,000. The Kirkham polished roller to the public is $115,000. There may be a few options that I'm not clicking off, but otherwise it's the same car for additional $65,000. so that's the Genesis for the "Shelby is not worth it" crowd.

But I'm very happy that you're a satisfied customer of Shelby. Best of luck.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

... so that's the Genesis for the "Shelby is not worth it" crowd ...

That's the aluminum replica example, there is a similar comparison for the "glass" replicas.

SPF sells a glass roller for $X
Shelby sells a glass roller for $Y
But the Shelby roller uses a body built at the same factory as SPF and by the same workers under Shelby license. SPF has a "ladder chassis" with excellent torsional stiffness. Shelby comes with a round tube chassis probably not quite as stiff. The remaining "a la carte" add-ons are similar in quality and degree of replication to the original (wheels, gauges etc.), yet the SPF roller is cheaper than the Shelby roller.

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

That's the aluminum replica example, there is a similar comparison for the "glass" replicas.

SPF sells a glass roller for $X
Shelby sells a glass roller for $Y
But the Shelby roller uses a body built at the same factory as SPF and by the same workers under Shelby license. SPF has a "ladder chassis" with excellent torsional stiffness. Shelby comes with a round tube chassis probably not quite as stiff. The remaining "a la carte" add-ons are similar in quality and degree of replication to the original (wheels, gauges etc.), yet the SPF roller is cheaper than the Shelby roller.

Some of is put more value on the round tube chassis as it provides an experience closer to the original cars. Way back at the beginning of the other thread someone said the "best" car is the one that meets what the owner wants. A round tube chassis was best for me and many others.

The bodies are not the same. Both are fiberglass but the shapes are different. There are many details in the construction that make the cars different. But I understand details seem to be beyond your comprehension level.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Al G

Some of is put more value on the round tube chassis as it provides an experience closer to the original cars. Way back at the beginning of the other thread someone said the "best" car is the one that meets what the owner wants. A round tube chassis was best for me and many others.

The bodies are not the same. Both are fiberglass but the shapes are different. There are many details in the construction that make the cars different. But I understand details seem to be beyond your comprehension level.

yup !!!

[REAL 1]

Blue/Al: Take a look at page 30 of the Registry. You will find separate categories of original Cobras that are recognized as "REAL" Cobras despite the fact many have been partially or totally reconstructed with nothing more than a tag remaining.

A cogent argument exists that current production Cobras have more Shelby Cobra DNA than some partially reconstructed and especially completely reconstructed originals regardless of their CSX #. If a completely reconstructed 1960's is a real Shelby Cobra what we own is sure as hell a real Shelby Cobra. At least as far as the I'm concerned.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Al G

Some of is put more value on the round tube chassis as it provides an experience closer to the original cars. Way back at the beginning of the other thread someone said the "best" car is the one that meets what the owner wants. A round tube chassis was best for me and many others.

The bodies are not the same. Both are fiberglass but the shapes are different. There are many details in the construction that make the cars different. But I understand details seem to be beyond your comprehension level.

Fascinating, but irrelevant to the question asked - why we have these "Shelby is not worth it" types. RodKnock's post talks to the aluminum Shelbys, mine talks to the glass Shelbys. The differences you talk about are in the noise compared to cost. You don't have to agree with it nor would I expect you to as you have bought a CSX. But let's be honest, the "Shelby Plaque" is probably 95% of why you bought yours - and that's ok, we get it.

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Fascinating, but irrelevant to the question asked - why we have these "Shelby is not worth it" types. RodKnock's post talks to the aluminum Shelbys, mine talks to the glass Shelbys. The differences you talk about are in the noise compared to cost. You don't have to agree with it nor would I expect you to as you have bought a CSX. But let's be honest, the "Shelby Plaque" is probably 95% of why you bought yours - and that's ok, we get it.

I don't even understand this post. However, since you seem to think you can read my mind figure out what I think of you. That will save me posting it and getting banned.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Fascinating, but irrelevant to the question asked - why we have these "Shelby is not worth it" types. RodKnock's post talks to the aluminum Shelbys, mine talks to the glass Shelbys. The differences you talk about are in the noise compared to cost. You don't have to agree with it nor would I expect you to as you have bought a CSX. But let's be honest, the "Shelby Plate" is probably 95% of why you bought yours.

Sorry sir, but I can't agree.
As a non-csx owner I don't see it your way.
They don't even look like same to a trained cobra eye.
Both are nice, but different. Kirkham v CSX however very hard to tell without getting under the skin, and sometimes even then

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Sorry sir, but I can't agree.
As a non-csx owner I don't see it your way.
They don't even look like same to a trained cobra eye.
Both are nice, but different. Kirkham v CSX however very hard to tell without getting under the skin, and sometimes even then

... and you agreeing is not a prerequisite to why some see Shelbys over priced

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

... and you agreeing is not a prerequisite to why some see Shelbys over priced

These cars are worth what someone will pay period.. Very simple. Overpriced ??? Maybe to you they are !! Others look at it an think "I like that a lot" and BUY it like me without a second thought. Different strokes for different folks.
Ok.. goin out for a hell ride an freeze to death BUT it will be fun !

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

There are other owners here with other brands that believe the Shelby replica isn't worth it. It's not just Kirkham owners. Personally, I thought the CSX plaque was worthless, to me, since it's a replica, built by a successor company 30-50 years later, not 1 of the 998. I consider the connection to be extremely distant at best. And then the Kirkham quality and customer service were excellent.

So, where does the "Shelby replica is not worth it" come from? Well, for instance the 50th Anniversary Shelby 427SC replica roller is $180,000. Kirkham supplies the entire roller to Shelby. You buy it at the same price painted or polished. $180,000. The Kirkham polished roller to the public is $115,000. There may be a few options that I'm not clicking off, but otherwise it's the same car for additional $65,000. so that's the Genesis for the "Shelby is not worth it" crowd.

But I'm very happy that you're a satisfied customer of Shelby. Best of luck.

Hey Shelby is in it for the $$$ ???? Hell ya !!! $$$$ makes the world go round. If someone wants to pay it who cares ?? Want the CSX plaque ?? Good.. If ya don't then keep walking. Look at Ford with its Fusion. Lincoln MKS is the same damm thing with a better dress on it !! Ya I bought that to.