interesting news about the continuation car theme

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

Continuation Cars And The Market

Very well stated....

[RodKnock]

Hey, peterpjb, you're repeating yourself.

I hope you're not pinning all your hopes and dreams on the author from this Internet article. If you click on Andy Reid's link at the bottom, there's this article:

https://news.classiccars.com/author/andy-reid/

And he writes: "The CSX 4000-series cars were built by Shelby on 427 Cobra frames reputedly left over from the original 1960s production run. Whether or not this car sits on an actual leftover frame, it definitely represents an amazing value when compared with period-built Cobras, which nowadays change hands north of a million dollars."

This was posted on 12/21/2016. Did the guy do even a little research? Oy vey. I think Andy Reid should stick to coaching the Kansas City Chiefs.

In CA, Shelby, Kirkham, Backdraft, ERA, Superformance, etc. are all legally called kit cars (no engine and trans, right?) or specially constructed vehicles and are only legal on our roads here with an exemption.

[Antny]

The original Shelby Cobras were "kit cars" too.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Antny

The original Shelby Cobras were "kit cars" too.

No, that's wrong. At least by CA law.

The 1960's Cobras were sold as completed cars from dealers lots with engines, transmissions, clutches, headers already installed, etc., passed emissions and with warranties. Just like any other new Ford, Chevy or Chrysler, even today, license and registration were handled by the dealership and the new owner received their license plates and registration in the mail. No special legal exemptions necessary to have a 1960's Cobra comply with current (of the day) motor vehicle law.

I'd post some more articles by people who have not a clue about Carroll Shelby and the Shelby Cobra's history.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

No, that's wrong. At least by CA law.

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

In CA, Shelby, Kirkham, Backdraft, ERA, Superformance, etc. are all legally called kit cars (no engine and trans, right?) or specially constructed vehicles and are only legal on our roads here with an exemption.

CA law rules..

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

CA law rules..

Pick a different state. How about New York or New Jersey? Do those states work better for you?

I'd find more internet articles where the author doesn't have his or her head up their rear ends.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I'd find more internet articles where the author doesn't have his or her head up their rear ends.

Is that rear end a Ford 8.8" or 9", Jaguar, BMW, or something else?

[Antny]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

No, that's wrong. At least by CA law.

The 1960's Cobras were sold as completed cars from dealers lots with engines, transmissions, clutches, headers already installed, etc., passed emissions and with warranties. Just like any other new Ford, Chevy or Chrysler, even today, license and registration were handled by the dealership and the new owner received their license plates and registration in the mail. No special legal exemptions necessary to have a 1960's Cobra comply with current (of the day) motor vehicle law.

I'd post some more articles by people who have not a clue about Carroll Shelby and the Shelby Cobra's history.

What I mean is: I believe that Shelby received the rollers from AC, and added the drivetrains in his shop here in the USA, no? Just like, say a Superformance today.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Antny

What I mean is: I believe that Shelby received the rollers from AC, and added the drivetrains in his shop here in the USA, no? Just like, say a Superformance today.

You do understand the difference right?

Today the buyer buys an incomplete car from Shelby or SPF. The buyer completes the car. In the 1960's, they weren't sold as kits (component, same thing). They were sold as legal driveable cars right from the dealer's lot with engine, trans, clutch and an alignment already done. You got a warranty and the car registration was handled by the selling dealer.

I had to register my Kirkham. I had to go to the CHP and BAR. I had to hire a shop to do the install and sorting. My Kirkham requires a special exemption so that my Cobra passes an emissions test, which I would otherwise miserably fail. My Kirkham did not meet modern federal safety standards at time of sale.

[Antny]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You do understand the difference right?

Today the buyer buys an incomplete car from Shelby or SPF. The buyer completes the car. In the 1960's, they weren't sold as kits (component, same thing). They were sold as legal driveable cars right from the dealer's lot with engine, trans, clutch and an alignment already done. You got a warranty and the car registration was handled by the selling dealer.

I had to register my Kirkham. I had to go to the CHP and BAR. I had to hire a shop to do the install and sorting. My Kirkham requires a special exemption so that my Cobra passes an emissions test, which I would otherwise miserably fail. My Kirkham did not meet modern federal safety standards at time of sale.

Yeah, I understand the difference. But I'm simply talking about how these cars came to be. Shelby bought rollers and stuffed engines into them. Much the way most of our cars came to be. So in a sense, all of these cars, including the originals, are "kit" cars...or whatever term makes us sleep better at night. :-)

[Tim7139]

Groundhog day....cobra version.

[Antny]

Yeah, I'll shut up now.....

[peterpjb]

not brandnew but fits to this thread...


turnkey car...

https://theshopmag.com/news/shelby-a...cobra-race-car

[mdross1]

Agree with you Cycleguy Brian quite pleased sure works. For those of us who went through the pain of building our cars there is another whole level of appreciation mostly pride.
As you have said most people know very little about our Cobra's I will listen to all opinions until they get out of hand at putting one or all of our cars down solely to make themselves feel better about their continuation replicars. After all we all love the same basic car no reason why we all can't get along.


Mike

[Bartruff1]

It doesn't matter a bit what members of a internet board think....Shelby is doing it and it is paying off...it is what it is...

[peterpjb]

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/race/h...jaguar-d-type/

[ACHiPo]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/race/h...jaguar-d-type/

No indication of price. Guessing it’s a case of “if you have to ask, you can’t afford it”

[Dominik]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/race/h...jaguar-d-type/

Unused D-Type chassis? I like to carbon date them.
Or 25 unused chassis numbers?

"The multi-million-pound creations" Many shops can do that for this money...

However, nice to see. If Jaguar makes money from it, good for them. I am just jealous.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Cobalt289

I agree. See, for example, the recent extended piece on The Grand Tour featuring the new "old" Jaguar and Aston-Martin, with all their originality, and comparing them to a new Honda.

Originally Posted by ACHiPo

No indication of price. Guessing it’s a case of “if you have to ask, you can’t afford it”

Originally Posted by Dominik

Unused D-Type chassis? I like to carbon date them.
Or 25 unused chassis numbers?

"The multi-million-pound creations" Many shops can do that for this money...

However, nice to see. If Jaguar makes money from it, good for them. I am just jealous.

The Grand Tour did a pretty good dive on both the Jag and Aston Martin. Neither had any creature comforts. The Jag was stated as "one million pounds (Brit currency, so convert to dollars)" Doesn't matter they are all sold. Neither was street legal. They fudged getting them on the road for the tests by becoming temporary employees and driving as prototypes.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Dominik

Unused D-Type chassis? I like to carbon date them.
Or 25 unused chassis numbers?.

25 unused chassis numbers.