Factory 5 buying SAI - Page 7

Chaplin · #**121** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 05:47 PM

Oh look, the sun came up today (and I'm betting that it will again tomorrow).

Why are we talking about Model Ts? Let's look at the T-Bird. Ford made them in the 50s and brought them back in the late 90s or early 00s. (Kind of like the Cobra and CS). Are the new ones not "real" T-Birds? Of course they are. They were made by Ford then, are made by Ford now and carry the T-Bird name. The new T-Birds are no less a "T-Bird" (except in styling and performance which is why no one bought one- but that's another thread) than the old T-Birds.

Facts are that 4000 cars are Real Cobras. They are made by Shelby and are the only cars that can legally be called a "Cobra". Is it a "fake snake"? Nope, but it is a replica- and the only replica that holds the distinction of being called a Cobra. Does that make it a better car than others? Maybe or maybe not. It all depends upon what you want, what is important to you and what makes something "better" in your mind.

(edit: In re-reading this, I forgot that Ford made the T-Bird through the 70s and 80s also

, but the point is the same

)

Edley Rondinone · #**122** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 05:51 PM

Hey there! The temperature was in the 80's today as a buddy and I went for a cruise in my Cobra! Got a lot of smiles and "thumbs-up" from LOTS of people today; GAWD, I LOVE driving my Cobra!!! LOL !!!

casaleenie · #**123** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 05:54 PM

It's gonna happen!!!!!!

REAL 1 · #**124** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 05:59 PM

Meat: Thanks for the info. Whatever you say Meat.

Chaplin: Well stated. Thats all I've been saying.

meat · #**125** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chaplin
"...Facts are that 4000 cars are Real Cobras. They are made by Shelby and are the only cars that can legally be called a "Cobra". Is it a "fake snake"? Nope, but is is a replica- and the only replica that holds the distinction of being called a Cobra. Does that make it a better car than others? Maybe or maybe not. It all depends upon what you want, what is important to you and what makes something "better" in your mind..."

The 4000s are as much a real Cobra as a DAX is. Shelby is nothing more than a late-comer to the Cobra replica scene.

The 4000 is a fake snake. It's a replica. And a 4000 in no way even looks like the original Cobra.

Your pal,
Meat.

REAL 1 · #**126** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:04 PM

Meat: Your right again!

casaleenie · #**127** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:06 PM

I just gotta ask.... are people really "insulted" by comments concerning the authenticity of a particular car or brand? Do you really feel slighted or demeaned because of some of these postings? It's a joke, right? and you are just kidding about being hurt by the comments?
I love these circular threads... Everytime I think I've heard it all you guys come back with some great lines... Keep em' comin'..

REAL 1 · #**128** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:16 PM

Caselennie/Guys: Seriously, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I'm not insulted by the "fake snake" remarks, but is intended as an insult. But some CSX owners may be. I take from whence it comes and with a grain of salt. I just point out that I disagree and the facts supporting my position.

I agree with Chaplin. He stated it well. Kudos to him. Thank you, Mike.

Its a simple proposition and the facts are clear. No insult intended to anyone or any other car. The facts do not make the CSX continuation Cobra better or worse than any other car. Depends what you want and whats important to you. The CSX is what it is. A Shelby Cobra. Period.

I will respectfully agree to disagree based on the facts. I will never get some here to acknowledge the facts but thats OK. Don't care. They are free to ignor the facts. I am free to debate them with those that want to debate it. This is a forum to debate and discuss Cobra related issues. Isn't that what we are doing.

If you guys are tired of this subject I'm more than happy to move on to another.

How about those Devils! Think they will elimate the Senators tonight? What do you guys want to talk about?

Mark IV · #**129** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:21 PM

"There is no such thing as an AC Cobra....."

I beg to differ.....cars sold in the UK and Europe back in the 60's were sold as AC Cobras and even until last June FoMoCo authorized AC to use the Cobra name and logo. I know this is semantics and your point was about a car being a "Cobra" due to its' Shelby originsbut there IS an "AC Cobra"

I predict at least 23 pages for this thread. I'm surprised no one has just reprinted some of the old "Is it real?" thread and dropped it in here!

Rick

And I am certain that the Smiths, Jamo, Turk, Roscoe, BinB or most anyone here could operate SAI better than it has been recently.

Rick Lyons · #**130** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:23 PM

Meat vs Real 1!
Shaun vs Evan!

Talk about a tempest in a teapot, let 'er rip boys, this is too much.

REAL 1 · #**131** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:26 PM

Nope. I've already indicated Meat won the debate. I'll lose everytime when the facts don't count.

Lets change the subject. So how about those Devils?

Edley Rondinone · #**132** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:30 PM

There are TWO arguments here: 1. What is a real Cobra? and 2. What do you call a car assembled by CS? Let's see if I can muddle up the waters again.....To a person who knows NOTHING about kit cars/replicas/"Fakey-doos", but KNOWS about the Cobras from the sixties, TO THAT PERSON, the only "REAL" Cobra is that car made by CS in the 60's! To THAT PERSON, if they ask "Is that a real Cobra?", the only honest reply from a Cobra owner whose car WAS NOT assembled/created in the 60's is...NO...!!! That answers the first question. Now, for the second question...If CS makes a car that looks just like a Cobra, sounds like a Cobra, etc etc etc, since that car was made by CS, (who made the original Cobras in the 60's), I would say "Yes", it is a REAL Cobra, but not an original Cobra!! I think that these two questions can ONLY be answered by using the same criteria the person asking the question uses, and they use whatever criteria they choose, in setting parameters on what constitutes what...Kind of, "Reality is in the eyes of the beholder!" This should clear things up!!

REAL 1 · #**133** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:32 PM

Edley: What you say is true. I agree.

Gotta go. Got a hockey game.

Be nice. See you guys later.

Edley Rondinone · #**134** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:33 PM

Thaks, Evan! Go Mighty Ducks!!!

REAL 1 · #**135** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:38 PM

Edley: Giggy's been AWESOME! What 180 shots on goal from the Dallas series and the Wild series with what, 3 goals against total in both series and "three game" shut outs. Whoa! Talk about brick walls!

If Paul Karyia can get his scoring game going and Giggy stays hot it should be a REALly good finals with the Devils. Also should be neat to watch the Niedermyer brothers face off against each other.

Lets get past Ottawa first though. I don't count chickens until hatched.

Gotta go play some Hockey!.

Edley Rondinone · #**136** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:41 PM

Good luck on your team!

MotoCobra · #**137** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 06:43 PM

Well now, we've come a long way...or have we?

You can HEAR the bad TASTE left from HOW Carroll and company handled their LATE "reentry" (usually conjurs up a mushroom cloud after a real long contrail...) into the Cobra Renaissance. Uh, and that was the 2nd time?

Real1, et al, you'll have to remember that a lot of us are still pi$$ed at those Vegas prisoner employers and the effect they had on people that we care about, respect and consider our friends and compatriots. Then, to top it off, they end up re-selling SOMEONE-ELSE's stuff! Someone who they (also...) threatend to sue from what I understand! The romance is gone and the Heritage is tainted. That's how a lot of us feel. Not to forget that those of us who grew up in So Cal around a LOT of these gorgeous cars feel a loss of Honor and History due to the mis-dealings/mis handlings of and by the name and originator. That's how I feel, that is.

So, somefolks take it in the gut over this issue. We shouldn't; but, we do.

These things started out has cars being sold to pay for racing. A "shop" in Venice with some guys that loved cars that labored to make tham the best they could on a limited budget. A bunch of re-hashed Aces came over on some boats, some So Cal guys stuffed some V8's in'em...a bunch of motorheads wrenching on cars has become a big business/legal nightmare. Sounds like NASCAR, doesn't it?

The "Spirit" of the Original car lives in the Hearts and Minds of these FFR folk. From the Bordens at Thunderhill to Jon down at "The Gateway" to "U.K.Daytona" and his coupe dreams on the Isle.

You also have some strong "Feelings" about these things, that's obvious from your well stated reasoning for building a CSX.

We need to back off for a second and realize how this looks from the outside. We're all huddled up *****in' at each other while we're playing the same game on the same team...kinda funny...I have even re-learned how to make a complete ass of myself!

Oddly enough, a lot of people here will probably end up @ DV and share a beer, or-at least, I hope.

'Til then,

Manny

Ron61 · #**138** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 07:15 PM

Ok ! Now we agree that the CSX4000 Cobras are real Cobras. I grew up in the 60s with the originals in L.A. and the new ones are far safer and nicer and they will NEVER be originals. As for wheather the other brands are real or not that is a matter of semantics. I am not sure that I quite agree with the replica explanation some ways back in this ever going post. From what I read a replica has to be made out of the exact things that the original was and the only way to do that is have an original and rebuilt it with original parts. Thus it would still be an original. Replica for the most part is accepted as being a copy of something, not just cars. My car is not original, a kit, nor a CSX. But according to the guy whose foot I burned out over it is very real. There can be no argument that anything that has the Shelby tag on it is going to retain and have a greater value. When Turk gets his car going, Feb. 29, 2009, he will be one of the junior elites in the club. The senior elites are the people who own original cobras from the 60s. I never built my car with any intention of making money on it or having something better or worse than anyone else. If I really wnated to get into the upper class then I would be shopping for the 1966 GT-40 that finished 2nd or 3rd at LeMans. I don't put down any car as everyone has what they like and can afford. And if your car is worth $180,000 dollars and mine is worth $22,000 dollars what is the big deal except ego. Ergo-I can waste more money than you can. If a car is worth a million dollars to the person who has it then it is worth it to them. It may not be worth that to me but I don't count as that person was getting the car for himself and not me. I watch the FFRs at Thunderhill and am as impressed with them as I am any other make I have seen. Turk, get your car going so we can start an argument over which one of our cars is the best. Yours because it is real or mine because it is a figment of my imigination.

Ron

Great Asp · #**139** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 07:32 PM

Evan,

I don't always agree with you, but at least you have style brother!

Black and white might be a shade of grey, and facts may be facts. But when you can't decide on who's right, pick the guy with style!

Evan's car is a REAL Cobra! It might even be a real FFR...

Evan, see ya at the DVSF!!!!!!

Eric

STG · #**140** (**permalink**) 05-19-2003, 08:03 PM

A while back, mention was made of the new "GT40". Guess what. Thery're not calling it a GT40 because it's over forty inches tall, Ford CAN'T call it a "GT40" because FORD DOESN'T OWN THE NAME.

Deja vu all over again!

(I believe Safir Engineering in England owns the rights to GT40 and they were willing to license it to Ford for seven figures.)

As far as the other topic on this thread goes, the new guys should realize that Evan has lost his arguement countless times before. (By the way Evan, I think you mixed up "continuation Cobra" - the McCluskey ghost cars - CSX3XXX with the CSX4XXX cars.) He just has too much invested to stop.