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11-27-2007, 06:12 AM
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1ntCobra,
On the chassis blueprint example you posted, it would all depend on what conditions were agreed to at the time of the exchange.
I guess that I should rephrase my earlier questions... I have no experience in any type of licensing agreements. I have seen employment contracts and non-compete agreements that were not worth the paper they were written on, so...
1) Would a well written license agreement (typically?) contain clauses regarding disposition of merchandise after the license has expired?
2) If information, not in public domain, is lent for research would a agreement (typically?) be put into place regarding the use of the material?
I emphasized 'typically' because I don't know if there is such a thing as a typical contract - probably isn't...
- Dan
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11-27-2007, 06:55 AM
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I just put $2.00 on 33 pages. This turkey ain't done yet! 
Jamo, Whatsa probably confused you with Turk as he still is one of the top ten poster.....and he hasn't been here for two years!  Trust me, Whatsa was close enough and properly connected to know the details about theAngliss/Ford steel cage match.
There are some people lurking here who have stories that could curl your hair! (assuming you have sufficent hair!)
Rick 
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11-27-2007, 07:37 AM
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Shelby and SAAC had a protracted philosophical falling-out on how the registry should be run and what it should include. The license is up for renewal and The Old Man has had enough and is playing his trump card. Judgements? Fallout? Motives? I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
P.S. For those that are worried, relax - It's near certain that life will go on after all this is done. 
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Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the strength to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. -(wasn't me)
BEWARE OF THE DOGma!! Dogmatism bites...
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11-27-2007, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV
I just put $2.00 on 33 pages. This turkey ain't done yet!
Jamo, Whatsa probably confused you with Turk as he still is one of the top ten poster.....and he hasn't been here for two years! Trust me, Whatsa was close enough and properly connected to know the details about theAngliss/Ford steel cage match.
There are some people lurking here who have stories that could curl your hair! (assuming you have sufficent hair!)
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Look at my ass...trust me, I have hair. Some of it has been curled by what I've seen concerning Vegas over the past few years...yet, I would not attempt to suggest it dictates what happens now.
I watched my wife give birth three times...I still don't know what it actually feels like (nor do I want to), and all three were somewhat different. From that, I am quite positive I cannot tell a pregnant lady what her delivery will be like other than there will evidently be pain involved. 
My point has been and continues to be this...folks don't know everything that is involved, and yet they are boldly offering criticizms and suggestions to both sides of this dispute based upon inuendo and conjecture of what they think is happening. Yes...fun to speculate, but defending particular speculation is usually a fool's game.
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11-27-2007, 10:17 AM
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My point has been and continues to be this...folks don't know everything that is involved, and yet they are boldly offering criticizms and suggestions to both sides of this dispute based upon inuendo and conjecture of what they think is happening. Yes...fun to speculate, but defending particular speculation is usually a fool's game.
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Jamo,
I'm no lawyer and I have only occasionally watched actors play lawyers on TV in most likely non-realistic situations, but...
Hey, wait a minute, are you calling me a fool???
Well, I'm perfectly fine with that!
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11-27-2007, 11:14 AM
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I just put $2.00 on 33 pages. This turkey ain't done yet!
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You are too conservative. I'll say 44 pages by 23:59:59 on December 15th (unless the thread gets closed before then). |
12-04-2007, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra
You are too conservative. I'll say 44 pages by 23:59:59 on December 15th (unless the thread gets closed before then).
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Great another bad estimate!
No wonder everyone in my department has been told they have to read "Software Estimation: Demystifying the Black Art".  |
11-27-2007, 07:39 AM
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...ummm, Buzz...it feels like it's time for a sketch to lighten up the atmosphere.
:-)
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11-27-2007, 08:31 AM
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...ummm, Buzz...it feels like it's time for a sketch to lighten up the atmosphere.
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Seconded. All those in favor? Motion carried.
Buzz...do your thing.
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11-27-2007, 09:04 AM
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Bla, Bla , Bla. I am not one who likes change but, I just picked up two (the last two) copies of the new mag. Very nice- tip top quality. May be a little over the top on Mustangs and how great Shelby thinks he is but I enjoyed it. If that is what is to come we just may see the bar raised in our little hobby. Being just a "consumer" not a self-proclaimed "insider" I think I will just see what shakes out.
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11-27-2007, 10:40 AM
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I'm not sure the people involved know what's involved, but if we didn't have criticisms, speculation, opinions based on absolutely nothing, suggestions and conjecture, there might not be a Club Cobra forum. It's fun reading.
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11-27-2007, 11:09 AM
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REMEMBER.... it is not just another SNAKE in the grass, but also the WORLD'S LARGEST UNBIASED COBRA SITE.......
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20mph is not fast, unless you are doing it in a 3/2, 1000sq. ft. house on 10 ft. waves!
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11-27-2007, 11:09 AM
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Jamo seems to be the most sane person here!!
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11-27-2007, 12:32 PM
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Jamo seems to be the most sane person here!!
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THAT is a sad commentary upon the inhabitants of this site!
If we could only harness the posting power here on CC, we could power a magarita mixer in some third world country!
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11-27-2007, 12:36 PM
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Jamo seems to be the most sane person here!!
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Your just referring to this thread -- right? 
As a non-lawyer and barely over the age of 30 (close enough) it is a fairly simple thing to hurry up and wait on this whole topic. |
11-27-2007, 11:31 AM
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At this rate my question will never be answered...HOW FAR WILL THIS GO? 
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20mph is not fast, unless you are doing it in a 3/2, 1000sq. ft. house on 10 ft. waves!
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11-27-2007, 11:46 AM
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I am sure I will get flamed by some for this, but to the comment of "Ol' Shel ruining the registry by allowing more than the "Original" cars in, etc..." My thought has always been that cars that were built to be race cars (or street versions of race cars) are kept original by continuously modifying them. These cars were built as a base unit and then modified to meet the owners/drivers need and wants to perform on the track. I look at the replica's as a continuation of that customization albeit a complete car. I also hate seeing the values on these cars because if I had an original, I would be too terrified to drive it because I would be scared some idiot would hit me. I could not afford to replace it.
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11-27-2007, 12:12 PM
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Regardless of the facts or the evidence, this will end in a one sided battle of attrition or compromise.
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11-27-2007, 12:46 PM
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They power a margarita mixer with a weed eater on Norman's Cay in the Bahamas. You have to sail in, or fly in. Only about 100 or less inhabitants there
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20mph is not fast, unless you are doing it in a 3/2, 1000sq. ft. house on 10 ft. waves!
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11-27-2007, 01:08 PM
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The initial facts seem pretty clear to me:
Shelby aint renewing the SAAC license, that sucks.
Shelby wants their 'stuff' back, SAAC says it aint his to have. Exactly what 'stuff' that is is open to speculation, but you can be SURE he is asking for more than he is ethically entitled too. The legal questions remain to be answered.
SAAC digging in for a law suit, a solid game plan knowing Shelby.
Compromise? Puhlhease, don't hold your breath it will happen any time soon.
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