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Old 10-05-2009, 04:24 PM
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Yup, just as I suspected. After one thread where everyone was all warm and fuzzy you guys are back at throwing sand in each others eyes. I didn't even start this thread but as usual there will be those that will blame me anyway.

I'm one of those "morons" that valued the Shelby name.

Very simply, the way I see it here is that there are two groups here. (1) those that truely don't see the added value of owning a Shelby but they have the money but don't see the value in spending the extra $$$ to buy a Shelby. (2) then theres the group that denigrate the "value" of the Shelby name that don't have the money to step up and buy a Shelby and make themselves feel better by knocking what they really would've rather have had (a Shelby) but can't afford and by knocking the Shelby "value"/name" they somehow feel better about what they chose to buy thereby elevating their own intelligence above the "morons" that bought a Shelby.

I'd be willing to bet the latter group out numbers the former here.

Lets review some facts shall we:

1. AC supplied the chasis and body for original Cobras
2. Original Shelby's by and large sell for more than original ACs.
3. Kirkham supplied many chasis and aluminum bodies for a majority of the Continuation Cobras.
4. Continuation Cobras by and large sell for more than Kirkhams and resale for more then Kirkhams.
5. At there core these cars (Origianl Shelbys, Continuation Shelbys and Kirkhams) are nothing more than a collection of parts that are more or less similar or eqivilent in design and cost. Thus there are "intangible" factors that seems to be playing a role in dictating value here. Hmmmm...what could they be?
6. If I may...those intangibles seem to be year of construction (when built) and .....gee what do you know...Name.

What I am sure of is this. Yes. Aluminum Shelby's cost more than Kirkhams. Yes, glass Shelby's cost more then SPFs and the rest of the glass replicas but in the end the Shelby's also resale for more.

Will the Continuation series increase substantially in value in the future? If Shelby Autos continues to make more, they will likely hold there value better then others that aren't Shelbys but increase substantally or at all... probably not.

Right now there are approximately 180 aluminum continuation series Shelby Cobras existing. Less then the original series.

However, if SAI stops making them or goes out of business and especially when CS passes...I'm willing to bet those that could have afforded the "Shelby" and bought the Kirkham or the SPF instead will feel like the well..... "morons"

Another thing for sure. If you have a Shelby Cobra, its a "Cobra" and not a replica thereof and always will be a Shelby Cobra at the end of the day. If you have a SPF, ERA, FFR or whatever, at the end of the day thats all your left with a replica of what the moron Shelby owners have...a Cobra. Sorry them is the facts. Ask SAAC.

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Old 10-05-2009, 04:49 PM
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... then theres the group that denigrate the "value" of the Shelby name that don't have the money to step up and buy a Shelby and make themselves feel better by knocking what they really would've rather have had (a Shelby) but can't afford and by knocking the Shelby "value"/name" they somehow feel better about what they chose to buy thereby elevating their own intelligence above the "morons" that bought a Shelby.
Now that's sure to put you right at the front of the popularity line around here. Care to join me for sensitivity classes on Tues/Thurs nights?
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Now that's sure to put you right at the front of the popularity line around here. Care to join me for sensitivity classes on Tues/Thurs nights?
Can I join too? I'm sometimes a real A-Hole.
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Can I join too? I'm sometimes a real A-Hole.
Of course, there's always room for one more. Maybe you could pick up ERAChas & RodKnock on your way over?
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Old 10-05-2009, 05:26 PM
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Of course, there's always room for one more. Maybe you could pick up ERAChas & RodKnock on your way over?
Wha? I'm very sensitive. Can you see I'm tearing up as we speak.
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Old 10-05-2009, 05:28 PM
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Wha? I'm very sensitive.
I know you are; I have you down as giving the keynote address.
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(2) then theres the group that denigrate the "value" of the Shelby name that don't have the money to step up and buy a Shelby and make themselves feel better by knocking what they really would've rather have had (a Shelby) but can't afford and by knocking the Shelby "value"/name" they somehow feel better about what they chose to buy thereby elevating their own intelligence above the "morons" that bought a Shelby.
I'll bet you buy Bose audio products, too.
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Old 10-05-2009, 05:27 PM
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I'll bet you buy Bose audio products, too.
Hey those Bose cubes are the best!
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:25 PM
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However, if SAI stops making them or goes out of business and especially when CS passes...I'm willing to bet those that could have afforded the "Shelby" and bought the Kirkham or the SPF instead will feel like the well..... "morons"
You must be smoking the wacky tobacky. When CS passes, you have no idea what his heirs might do.

They could potentially make licensing decisions that dilute the value of the brand. Their main focus is going to be to generate revenue and they won't think twice if impacts the value of the existing continuation (replica) Cobra market.
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When CS passes, you have no idea what his heirs might do.
"Licensed and Authorized by the Heirs of Carroll Shelby," not bad. How 'bout "the CSX-X3___ series, A Tribute to a Legend," even better. It'll only be done for a while though -- the next generation just won't be buying them and our cars (both the "real" continuation cars, plastic ERAs, and FFRs will all be relegated to the peculiar category of replicas of something that only sits in museums and the occasional private collection. The fact that CS signed off on Evan's replica (or the fact that he signed off on my replica) really won't make a difference.
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