Mass-Flo systems

[byroncobra]

Further Merv

I noticed your enquiry re sidepipes a few posts ago. If you're interested in going with them I'm ordering a set of FF's in the next few days, happy to save you a few $ on freight of you want in.

[stephen low]

Thanks Bill - food for future thought.

I'll have to try and find an Oz car with one of these in it for an up close and personal look.

Really want to get that carby look, hence why I'd do it as mine is one of the 302 versions but would match this in with the mild cam change over and aftermarket ECU changes in one hit.

What options have we if we had such a system set up and then wanted to change again regarding changes to the computer?

Cheers

Steve

[boxhead]

Steve, Talk to Aussie Mike, his system looks just like a carby setup with the air filter in place.

[Merv and Sharon]

So Bill, you are saying that to mix and match parts is not a good idea? Just use the entire Mass-Flo system including its supplied manifold?

Merv

[Blittleton]

you get all the components that you need for the install. It is very easy.

Bill

[Merv and Sharon]

Thanks Greg. I think I will go for the Mass-Flo system too. It seems comprehensive and from what has been said - not that difficult. So let me know when you plan to order and we can perhaps save on some freight! The US and Aussie Dollar are as close as they are going to be I think.

I was not asking about side pipes but only interested in what they weighted.

Merv

[mcwho]

I am wondering if anyone has statistics that show for example before and after MPG figures or HP/Torque figures. How is the driveability after the conversion. is there no difference at all ?

Im just wondering, preferably for a small block 302 like the for racing engines.

[Blittleton]

If you are looking for more hp, I would stick with the carb. Mass Flo will give you more lower end torque and my experience more driveability. If you are looking for more mpg, the engine will be more efficient but again I don't own one of these type of cars for the milage per gallon. More like how many gallons per mile can I waste!

Bill

[Merv and Sharon]

I agree Bill! MY contribution to saving the planet from global warming and reduction of use of fossil fuels is to use as much as possible as fast as possible so we get to the point of having to use re-newables as soon as possible.

[Merv and Sharon]

Bill when you fitted the systems above, did you run into any problems with integrating the system with the standard EEC (A9L)? Or is that replaced completely? Second if one going to fit AFR or similar heads must that be done before fitting the Mass-Flo system?

Merv

[OZVENOM]

Hi guys Dennis stone is running a mass flow system which has worked and tuned it self no worries with the exception of super charging which requires a new afm /injectors and a tune chip.
we will find out soon how well it works with forced induction.
it is an easy to fit system though a bit of time spent routing the wire neatly will make for a better result.
OZ.

[Blittleton]

Originally Posted by Merv and Sharon

Bill when you fitted the systems above, did you run into any problems with integrating the system with the standard EEC (A9L)? Or is that replaced completely? Second if one going to fit AFR or similar heads must that be done before fitting the Mass-Flo system?

Merv

The Mass Flo is a stand alone systems. It will be seperate from your chassis side. You can add the heads later if you wish, but it would be easier to do all at once. That will be up to you.

Bill

[byroncobra]

Merv and gurus,

I'm wondering how much consideration I should give to the bottom end of my engine as well as the mass-flo and heads. Given that i have no idea of the history or mileage of the Mustang engine, and it's general operating condition, is it wise to replace all the top end with new induction gear and heads without pulling things apart in the block and checking bearings and goodness knows what else?

The guy I bought the engine from told me that it had been 'checked' over, the head removed and new rings and gaskets fitted.

[Mando]

Byroncobra, does that guy happen to be your brother? I didn't think so!
Question asked and answered.

Regards.

[Aussie Mike]

I've posted this before and I'm sure many of you have already seen it. Here's my take on the 4 barrel manifold carb look setup (but mine is an LS1 of course).

I'm using an Edelbrock Victor Jr manifold that comes factory plumbed for injectors. There are many manifolds available now that are factory machined for injectors.



The throttle body is also made by Edelbrock and flows 1000CFM. The really cool thing about it is that it uses the same Idle Air Motor and Throttle position sensor as the factory throttle body. This means it all looks like the factory setup to the factory ECU and all the connectors are the same. I have a MAFless or Speed Density tune in my ECU (Thanks Bobby). This means the injection system runs on just Throttle position and manifold pressure without the Mass Airflow Sensor.

I used the factory loom and just shortened and rerouted a few parts once I was happy it all worked.



My setup runs great and I'm very happy with it.

If you were running an aftermarket ECU like an Autronic or MOTEC you would be able to put this same style of setup on a Ford motor.

Cheers

[wrench87]

when i was building my ffr i built a 342 stroker i had already had the ford motorsport efi harness all the sensors and a 93 computer (A3M1), i was going to use the ford cobra intake and i already had a msd tfi distributor so i was at chris's (quality roadsters) before he started mass flo fuel inj and he showed me his new set up but i was able just to buy a intake with rails a t body, a mass air meter, and the little harness adapter that converts the (gm signal) to the ford voltage reading. and i was all set, the only thing is depending on your engine set up you may need a chip so your set up will run ok . you can also buy the moates quarter horse and tune it your self with a laptop, or go to a dyno tuner and get a chip burned.
you can check out eectuning.org to learn about tuning with the tweecer rt or the new moates quarter horse they plug in to the service port and connects to a laptop with a usb cable.

[byroncobra]

Mando

Given that many of us outside vic and nsw use donor engines, i thought canvasing where I should start looking for issues in regards to upgrades in performance might be of interest.

Sorry, to state what you consider to be obvious

BTW my brother knows nothing about engines

[Gav]

But it still would not be as good Mike.

[Merv and Sharon]

Gregg, my advice and the experience of others is that the Ford small block bottom end is pretty bullet proof. Several have had them for many years and even raced them not touched the bottom end. I am thinking that I won't unless necessary.

Merv

[TUF-427]

Merv,

theirs a few of these mass flows kicking around Qld,

Mike Verner is running one also with great success.

You dont really need to buy the whole box and dice either if your already EEC4 injected,

It uses all the standard EEC4 Ecu,harness Distributor sensors etc which all can be reused,

Massflo is based around a Different Mass air Meter thats adapted to fit Above the Quad throttle body inside the filter,
this sensor is recalibrated to suit the ford Ecu Signal requirment for measuring the incoming air volume.
Alone prob wont make much more hp and will lose some low end torque over the Production long runner style intakes,
Combine it with alloy heads and a cam etc will wake the old girl up though..

And they look fantastic...

Chips and retuning only required once you want to increase the injector size,
which would be required if you did heads and cam etc..