If your up for Rego in NSW - Read this.

[NASSTY]

Have to agree with the comments so far. I'd be talking to your engineer first before the RTA. Some of those items were obviously not going to pass, others could have been avoided, if only hindsight was clearer. And only some appear stupid on face value, eg ADR 60, are screwdrivers or spanners special tools?

Hate to say it but perhaps the RTA has been forced to be strict to compensate for its accredited engineers?

[Baz]

Originally Posted by schipps

Barry,

I think you are blaming the wrong party here.

I read all you posted here and if I am not mistaken , your engineer has totally led you to the slaughter. Correct me if I am wrong???

Looks like the RTA was only doing what they are supposed to do. i.e. enforce the ADR's.

Looks like your engineer was being fairly lazy in his attempt to check your compliance with the relevant ADR's.

Just my 2 bobs worth

regards

Yes Schipps,

I totally agree whose been slack here. It's now his worry as well as mine.

I'll will correct one misunderstanding right here. I'm not blaming the wrong person., i.e.the RTA Inspector. The person who inspected my car was really thorough and merciless in performing his job. Can't blame him for that. It's my life that will be on the line every time I drive the car. He did however, become overly zealous in realtion to a few very minor issues.

The reason that I posted this thread in the beginning is to warn and inform persons in this State who are building an ICV what they can expect when they go for RTA inspection and I think I have achieved that.

Baz

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Inertia

Yeah Baz, although I don't know if you have been 'led to slaughter' but to my way of thinking your engineer should have had you address most of the list you have there before going to the RTA for inspection. After all, that is what you paid him for for isn't it?

Did you get any feedback from your engineer on the list the RTA provided?

Cheers and keep up the good fight
Inertia

Yes Inertia,

I was talking to him this morning. We had words and the ball is now in his Court. I will sleep better tonight than last night.

Baz

[Baz]

Originally Posted by boxhead

I have to agree Ben, alot of it looks like stuff that engineer should have pointed out, I realise the testing is alot less strict up here, but I would expect even my engineer would have questioned alot of the items on that list.

Things like wheels poking from guards, miss match between tyres placard and tyres fitted, fuel vented to atmosphere (I am assuming charcoal canister non existant or not plumbed correctly), No E on reverse light.
Would have been pretty obvious items.
Also just remove screen and roof when presented for inspection would have addressed alot of the list.
I realise it was raining on the day and that is unfortunate timing, but with teh screen out then there would have been no option to fit the roof and a new inspection date or a covered transporter could have been used.

I am not having a crack at you Baz, but engineer is the one paid to check and advise you of all these options.

I would be chatting to him more than causing a hornets nest bun fight at the RTA.

Thanks for your input Dave, but I have addressed your concern in my response to Schipps.

Just for the record, I will point out a couple of items which you have referred to.

Wheels outside the guards. Top of the front tyres/wheels level with bodyline, but prootrude about 5mm out on the rear where the shape of the body rolls under.

Fuel caps vented to atmosphere Incorrect diagnosis by RTA Inspector. It has been correctly vented back through the charcoal canister and has been plumbed correctly.

No 'E' on Reversing Light. Notwithstanding the fact that there is no 'E' marking on the lense of the reversing light, the packet which the Narva reversing light came in, stated that it complied with the relevant ADR 1/00 and ADR 49/00.

As far as the demister, rear stop light etc., is concerned, there is no issue. As you are probably aware, OzCobra purchased my roof, side curtains and bow kit. All I have left is a tonneau cover so those two issues are resolved as far as I'm concerned. Access to the High Mount Stop Light for the purpose of changing the globe will cause a few problems. I will have to drill a 4" hole under the mounting point in order to access the globe. Undoing 3 nuts and removing the entire light assembly doesn't appear acceptable to the RTA as ADR 60 states that 'there must be provided access for convenient globe replacement.'

Other than that Dave, I take on board what you have said and thank you for your input.

Tomorrow I will have the first of two new knees and this whole issue can go to sleep for a few months. I'm looking forward to owning a 2011 registered Cobra.


Baz

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Baz,

Wow thats a big list. I suppose the positive thing is that you have a definate list that you can start crossing off.

With the brake test, was that because it wasnt done at 160Kph?

Also was the jag suspension issues due to aftermarket shocks and springs or was there more to it?

Cheers.

Liam,

I suppose this thread is of particularly interest to you because of where you are situated with your build. Some say that I was targeted because of this thread. Not so. This thread was started after I had my thorough 5 hour inspection.

Another Cobra owner who has gone before me and has posted on the NSW Cobra Club thread have had their Inspections completed in 2 hours. Mine was 5 hours. It is obvious that changes have been made in the Inspection protocol at the RTA. I will leave you to work out what the motives or objectives of those changes are, but they certainly don't benefit ICV builders. All I am saying, is don't express your feelings or sentiments on this Forum in open threads, only do so by PM's.

In answer to the Brake Test. The answer is a definate NO. The 160kph Brake test is out. Why they want Full ADR 31 Testing again is beyond me and is an issue that my Engineer will be discussing with the RTA hierachy.

Q re Jag Suspension:- In the front suspension, I have done away with the lower Jaguar A Arms as they had limited adjustment capabilities as far as a perfect wheel alignment is concerned. Instead, I installed lower arms from FFR in the USA which are far superior to the original Jag setup and provide for precise and full adjustment. SEE MY GALLERY. I can easily go backwards and fit lower Jaguar A arms, but I know this would be making the car far less safer.

I have fitted Spax Shocks and Eibach springs all round the car, doing away with the Jag setup. This is a far safer and better performing product than the original so I can't see their problem here.

Thanks for your support here Liam, I hope you have picked up a few tips. Don't forget that when you take youe car for Inspection, you don't go with a roof.


Baz

[Zedn]

Originally Posted by Baz

Liam,

I suppose this thread is of particularly interest to you because of where you are situated with your build. Some say that I was targeted because of this thread. Not so. This thread was started after I had my thorough 5 hour inspection.

Another Cobra owner who has gone before me and has posted on the NSW Cobra Club thread have had their Inspections completed in 2 hours. Mine was 5 hours. It is obvious that changes have been made in the Inspection protocol at the RTA. I will leave you to work out what the motives or objectives of those changes are, but they certainly don't benefit ICV builders. All I am saying, is don't express your feelings or sentiments on this Forum in open threads, only do so by PM's.

In answer to the Brake Test. The answer is a definate NO. The 160kph Brake test is out. Why they want Full ADR 31 Testing again is beyond me and is an issue that my Engineer will be discussing with the RTA hierachy.

Q re Jag Suspension:- In the front suspension, I have done away with the lower Jaguar A Arms as they had limited adjustment capabilities as far as a perfect wheel alignment is concerned. Instead, I installed lower arms from FFR in the USA which are far superior to the original Jag setup and provide for precise and full adjustment. SEE MY GALLERY. I can easily go backwards and fit lower Jaguar A arms, but I know this would be making the car far less safer.

I have fitted Spax Shocks and Eibach springs all round the car, doing away with the Jag setup. This is a far safer and better performing product than the original so I can't see their problem here.

Thanks for your support here Liam, I hope you have picked up a few tips. Don't forget that when you take youe car for Inspection, you don't go with a roof.


Baz

I dont think you were targeted because of this thread, i think there is a lot of paranoia floating around.

I dont plan on fitting a roof at all at this stage, so shouldnt be a problem.

I have also been following a Clubbie on OZclubbies who is about to have an RTA inspection in the next couple of months so will be watching closely. The description of his brake test sounds the same as yours.

In regards to blame of RTA or Engineer that people are talking about, i think its important to just focus the energy on rectifying the problems identified. you have a great looking car and i am sure soon in enough it will be a great looking registered car.

If you need to borrow any standard Jag parts, you are welcome to use my control arms. Also if you want i can measure my front wheel offsets and you can borrow those if they fit.

Good luck with the Operation.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Zedn

I dont think you were targeted because of this thread, i think there is a lot of paranoia floating around.

I dont plan on fitting a roof at all at this stage, so shouldnt be a problem.

I have also been following a Clubbie on OZclubbies who is about to have an RTA inspection in the next couple of months so will be watching closely. The description of his brake test sounds the same as yours.

In regards to blame of RTA or Engineer that people are talking about, i think its important to just focus the energy on rectifying the problems identified. you have a great looking car and i am sure soon in enough it will be a great looking registered car.

If you need to borrow any standard Jag parts, you are welcome to use my control arms. Also if you want i can measure my front wheel offsets and you can borrow those if they fit.

Good luck with the Operation.

Thanks Liam,

Everythings under control. Hope to talk to you on the other side of the anaesthethic. The Cobra is one thing I don't have to worry about for the next 2 months at least.


Baz

[victor]

Good luck with the op baz

[Aussie Mike]

The high stop light sounds like a bit of a farce to me. You need a screw driver to change the bulbs on your tail lights. I'd hardly call a spanner to undo 3 nuts a special tool. Velcro a spanner the right size on the underside of the rear body where the nuts are just in case someone needs to undo them.

Looking through your gallery I think you mean FFR upper control arms. The lowers look like stock Jag items. The FFR arms are really an aftermarket Mustang item since that what their front end is based on. Does Niel have any data on them that could be supplied to the RTA?

I Didn't have any worries with the sun visors, wind wings, sharp edges, demister. I put mine through without a windscreen and just ran a small wind deflector screen like the race cars.

It's not an ADR requirement to have a windscreen but if you do then all the other stuff applies.

Good luck with it Baz

[Merv and Sharon]

Hope the operation goes well Bax. Don't forget to ask for a grease nipple!

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Aussie Mike

The high stop light sounds like a bit of a farce to me. You need a screw driver to change the bulbs on your tail lights. I'd hardly call a spanner to undo 3 nuts a special tool. Velcro a spanner the right size on the underside of the rear body where the nuts are just in case someone needs to undo them.

Looking through your gallery I think you mean FFR upper control arms. The lowers look like stock Jag items. The FFR arms are really an aftermarket Mustang item since that what their front end is based on. Does Niel have any data on them that could be supplied to the RTA?

I Didn't have any worries with the sun visors, wind wings, sharp edges, demister. I put mine through without a windscreen and just ran a small wind deflector screen like the race cars.

It's not an ADR requirement to have a windscreen but if you do then all the other stuff applies.

Good luck with it Baz

Sorry Mike.My mistake. I was referring to the uppers, but as you can imagine, I have a bit on my plate tonight. Neil doesn't have anything on them, but we are contacting FFR for some specs. One thing I do know is that they are far better than the original Jag product.

Thanks for your input and I love the shed.


Baz

[Aussie Mike]

I've got a set of those arms myself. They are a very nicely made piece of kit.

Good luck with your Op

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Aussie Mike

I've got a set of those arms myself. They are a very nicely made piece of kit.

Good luck with your Op

Thanks Mile. It's 6.45am and my son has just arrived to take me to hospital. I'll talk yo you on the otherside.


Baz

[boss290cobra]

a full ADR brake test is quite intense and according to my sources you would require new tyres, pads and possibly rotors once completed, that was the quote i had for $12500.00 what a farce

[boxhead]

It might be time for ICV guys to join with the hotrodders?
http://www.gopetition.com/online/37707.html

Looks like RTA (NSW) are pushing to have modified vehicles (inc Hot Rods) to be classed as ICV.
My thought is that the Hotrodders may want us to join them (so Cobra and older vehicle replica's) can be permitted under there current scheme, and this would boost there numbers - and we all know that politicians listen to majority voters.

[Dimis]

Hi

I visit this forum heaps, however due to my limited knowledge and experience - I have little of value to add and thus don't post often.

However, I will take this opportunity to up my post count by saying Boxhead - a worthy cause, my hand is up and my vote is in against the "fun police".

Seriously, can't the Gov. redirect their energy so something useful!? Me thinks they need to be educated on the current state of affairs.

On a less poignant matter... Thanks to all for sharing your insight on all things Cobra (...and more). It's much very appreciated.


PS: Baz, best of luck with your op... I expect to see you posting soon. Your persistence is inspiring!

Anth
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Insight + Hindsight = Foresight

[Baz]

Came home from the Rehab hospital his morning. Everything went well. I was done on 1st July. The surgeon took about 2 hours. I woke up in Recovery at 11am and by 2pm, they had me standing on my new knee. In the Surgical Hospital for 7 days then 8 days in a Rehab Hospital and I'm now back into it.

My Ortho who drives a 460F Spider Ferrari with ceramic everything is a genius. He uses computer mapping to ensure that the new knee, foot and hip are in perfect alignment by drilling into the tibia bone and inserting Computer Mapping Posts into the bone. These are removed after the operation. I will have the other knee done early next year.

I feel well and am looking forward to the battle which lies ahead. I've had two weeks in which to plan. I have spoken to my engineer and things are looking good.

It's good to be back.

Baz

[boxhead]

Good to hear that all went well Baz.

[stephen low]

Baz

It's a shame then that I heard the compass was so upset by all the metallic objects inserted in your body that it set the computer calibration out by 180 degrees! - lol

But seriously get well soon so that you have one good foot to stand on and one good foot to stick up someone's backside to get you through engineering!

Cheers

PS my father in law had the same op about two months ago now and it doesn't sound anywhere near as succesful. Think his surgeon only drove a Merc! - lol But then Dad-Law is nearly pushing 80 and wants to be able to keep on lawn bowling!

[Modena]

good to hear you're ok Baz

I feel well and am looking forward to the battle which lies ahead. I've had two weeks in which to plan. I have spoken to my engineer and things are looking good

is that rego or the next knee?