How Can some Street Rods get full NSW Rego?

[Philm]

Zedn,
I understand that no cobras have been registered, have any ICVs passed in the last 2 years?

Do people actually understand that cobras can not be registered in NSW at the moment regardless of make or engineer because of what the RTA wants? Everyone has this attitude of they will give an exemption like the crash testing. Well no they wont just give an exemption.

Have the RTA offered any statement or any communication about this?

Phil

[Rebel1]

Baz, I am aware you had spoken to John and I am also aware of Johns disgust at the lack of state support. What John predicted back then is sadly what appears to be happening.

Herewith a exert from Johns initial email dated 05/07/2006:

I have set out a framework on how this group can operate using the recourses of the Cobra Car Club branches in all states except NT and Tasmania where none exist. The clubs have a mandate to lobby on behalf of their members. These members are also interested in replica cars other than just cobras, i.e. GT 40, Daytona replicas etc.

Name. Replica Car Lobby Group.

Aim. To establish a coordinated common purpose lobby group in every state and territory of Aust.

Purpose. To create a "Replica" category within the state registration systems and move our replica cobras etc into that category instead of the Individually constructed Vehicle (ICV) category they currently hold.

Why?. The ICV,s we build are subject to different requirements in different states. However they all class them as ICV, a one off construction and one individuals efforts. This means that different requirements can be imposed on similar vehicles within the same state if desired. For example, in SA I have negotiated an exemption from meeting emission requirements for an ICV fitted with a carburettor 427 yet was rejected on an exemption for a fuel injected 5 litre because it was fitted with eight throttle bodies. There are such options as club rego in some states but not a national basis.
Something that is available on a national basis is the Street Rod category. These cars are NOT ICV s even if they are all different and individually constructed by the owner/builder and engineered by a contracted engineer. No the state ministers in their wisdom have decreed that a special Street Rod set of rules be created to manage the building and registration of these cars.

This is only part of the email but reflects his endeavors to get something going.

To me, the lack of support from the states was deplorable for two reasons. First reason was John was our National president and deserved, at least, some respect for his position.

Second John had identified a future problem. Why did the states give nothing but lip service to his attempts to make it easier to register a "replica" ?.

I have my opinions but they remain strictly mine.

[Zedn]

Originally Posted by Philm

Zedn,
I understand that no cobras have been registered, have any ICVs passed in the last 2 years?

Do people actually understand that cobras can not be registered in NSW at the moment regardless of make or engineer because of what the RTA wants? Everyone has this attitude of they will give an exemption like the crash testing. Well no they wont just give an exemption.

Have the RTA offered any statement or any communication about this?

Phil

I dont know about 2 years, but definately 12 months. The RTA advised the engineers of this fact in a meeting at the beginning of last month.

The compliance issue is the new steering column requirement. This has been introduced since Bazs inspection and requires collapsible steering boss. Cars with airbags are exempt from this requirement so consequently there is very few if any cars in Australia that comply. The RTA have said they will accept a car if the column and steering wheel with all identical angles and components as a complying car are used. Obviously this isnt possible due to the dimensions of a cobra. So crash testing is required.

[beauies]

Call me naive but how is everybody 100% positive that no cobras have been passed?

Baz's Non compliance report items seem like they would be able to be rectified not without a little hard work and time.

[Tenrocca]

Perhaps we should all get together for a bbq to discuss:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/AC-Cobra-BBQ-...item1c19f5fe18



This may be the closest youll get to registering a cobra soon......

[beauies]

Drats No NSW rego otherwise i would tack a front end on to it there is my cobra RTA problem solved.

[OZCOBRA]

Well it would meet the specific PURPOSE built ..SC427 BBQ CART..........Golf buggy what's the difference???

Ah so that is where the DRB rear end was flopped from!!!

[Merv and Sharon]

SC 213.5 Cobra?

[OZCOBRA]

Originally Posted by Merv and Sharon

SC 213.5 Cobra?

Very Good !!! .......Initially I thought you were quoting an ADR!!

[Merv and Sharon]

Old Cobras never die .... they just smell like chops and are only used on Sundays.

However, what Les and others are saying (again) is spot on and we should elect future presidents and their committees with this as their agenda, and attract folk who are willing to lead the fight for recognition of this as a replica class.

[Wazza]

Rebel...

Too much to say AGAIN....

You have a lot to say about the inaction in 2006 by the States...
"The lack of support from the States was deplorable"

1. I've been the Queensland President since 2004 and have NEVER been approached to take part in any of this.
( There was a disjointed meeting held on one occasion...and everyone seemed to be wanting different things....a mess )

2. The "National President " of WHAT ????

I see the same few people "Bumping their gums" on this issue...with little knowledge of what the manufacturers are doing to try and sort this out.

I know of actions being taken and that have been taken by manufacturers, with a view to sorting this mess out....but it does take time, and they don't all run to you every time they talk to someone.

I'm sure we'll see ANOTHER ten pages from the same few people saying the same stuff as I've seen on MANY previous threads...Insulting and attacking everyone whom they judge to be sitting around doing nothing about it.
And...Let's not forget to throw in a half a dozen comments bagging everyone in a government position ....that always helps with getting things done !

I'd like to be able to help the situation....but frankly the thought of joining forces with some of the people I see puffing their chests out on this forum gives me the absolute stirks.

I really don't feel like getting in to some big argument with anyone...but for for Chrissake....get off ya bloody horse about how the States and the Manufacturers are letting you down......

I've spent thousands of hours of my time trying to do "positive" things to help make being part of the Cobra community something good......

I never see you involved in anything...but as soon as this subject comes up, you are suddenly in the front lines...bagging everyone for doing nothing to help.



And Merv.......

"we should elect future presidents and their committees with this as their agenda, and attract folk who are willing to lead the fight for recognition of this as a replica class."

Step up mate...it's all yours........don't forget the other 30 hours a week that has to be put in with a hundred other club related matters, trying to make everyone happy.....

You're a classic mate !

Ahhhh.. That feels better....

It's off my chest.

Goodnight.

Lotsaluv,
Warren

[Rebel1]

Originally Posted by Wazza

Rebel...

Too much to say AGAIN....

In the words of a well known ex Queensland pollie.
Please explain?

Originally Posted by Wazza

I've been the Queensland President since 2004 and have NEVER been approached to take part in any of this.
Lotsaluv,
Warren

Are you saying you knew nothing about a proposal in mid 2006 to establish a National lobby group with the aim to have Cobra Replicas removed from the ICV classification?.

[Wazza]

Originally Posted by Rebel1

In the words of a well known ex Queensland pollie.
Please explain?

It's clear to me, and it seems most others...
You make statements about what a deplorable effort the State Presidents/clubs put in, and you'll get a bite from me.....I HEARD about a PROPOSAL to do SOMETHING...but as I stated...I wasn't approached in 2006 to do anything about this.


Are you saying you knew nothing about a proposal in mid 2006 to establish a National lobby group with the aim to have Cobra Replicas removed from the ICV classification?.

Just like this thread...it's a lot of talk about what should/could/must/might be done...
Doesn't mean I'm being asked to be a part of anything.

I've said my piece....and happy to help with any positive sensible actions....within reason...I have a business and a life, and a great deal of time is already spent on Cobra related matters...wouldn't mind if someone else wants to make something happen though.

Cheers,
Warren.

[Rebel1]

Originally Posted by Wazza

Rebel...

Too much to say AGAIN....

You have a lot to say about the inaction in 2006 by the States...
"The lack of support from the States was deplorable"

1. I've been the Queensland President since 2004 and have NEVER been approached to take part in any of this.
( There was a disjointed meeting held on one occasion...and everyone seemed to be wanting different things....a mess )

2. The "National President " of WHAT ????

I see the same few people "Bumping their gums" on this issue...with little knowledge of what the manufacturers are doing to try and sort this out.

I know of actions being taken and that have been taken by manufacturers, with a view to sorting this mess out....but it does take time, and they don't all run to you every time they talk to someone.

I'm sure we'll see ANOTHER ten pages from the same few people saying the same stuff as I've seen on MANY previous threads...Insulting and attacking everyone whom they judge to be sitting around doing nothing about it.
And...Let's not forget to throw in a half a dozen comments bagging everyone in a government position ....that always helps with getting things done !

I'd like to be able to help the situation....but frankly the thought of joining forces with some of the people I see puffing their chests out on this forum gives me the absolute stirks.

I really don't feel like getting in to some big argument with anyone...but for for Chrissake....get off ya bloody horse about how the States and the Manufacturers are letting you down......

I've spent thousands of hours of my time trying to do "positive" things to help make being part of the Cobra community something good......

I never see you involved in anything...but as soon as this subject comes up, you are suddenly in the front lines...bagging everyone for doing nothing to help.



And Merv.......

"we should elect future presidents and their committees with this as their agenda, and attract folk who are willing to lead the fight for recognition of this as a replica class."

Step up mate...it's all yours........don't forget the other 30 hours a week that has to be put in with a hundred other club related matters, trying to make everyone happy.....

You're a classic mate !

Ahhhh.. That feels better....

It's off my chest.

Goodnight.

Lotsaluv,
Warren

I'm back dancing ...
Warren, the only person on this thread insulting and attacking others is yourself.

This attack was unwarranted and not conducive to your position as Queensland President.

I was responding to a post by Baz with a truthful rendition of the facts. The fact that you misinterpreted my comments as an attack on yourself as Qld Pres or the Club is of no concern to me except for your diatribe in responding.

You comment you never see me doing anything for the club may have something to do with the fact that I'm no longer a member of the Queensland Cobra Club and have not been for a while. You are aware of this fact yet you feel obliged to criticize my inaction.

Some folks on here know the reasons I distance myself from the Qld Cobra Club but those reasons have absolutely nothing to do with your running of the Club.

Now, you have been Qld. Pres for a long time and I am on record on this and other forums as being complimentary to your efforts. However, you have put your hand up to be the Qld. Pres so don't whinge to us as to the work load. Not my concern fella!.


The music has stopped and so have I.

[Merv and Sharon]

Warren, you do a great job as QLD president and have really held this growing community together for a long time and in a positive manner. That was never suggested otherwise. We all recognise the massive amount of time and effort that you put in and how respected you are by all concerned. I fully agree on all counts. My comment was not at all directed to you, but to a future need nationally to get this issue back on the agenda (we know that there are many, many other tasks for presidents).

However, we know nothing of what is happening with the manufacturers, as you mention. That fact that this has never been an issue that was put to you and probably not to the other state presidents is interesting, as I suspect that a nationally co-ordinated action on this is the only way forward for those still building or planning to build. It would make life for builders simpler, rather than harder.

I hope you feel even better ...

[Wazza]

Thanks Merv....
Although it seemed clear that you had the idea that the State Presidents should be leading the charge on this matter....

What about a "small" committee made up of a few DIPLOMATIC people, with the spare time, and DIPLOMACY skills to work with similar small committees from the other states....

Meeting with, and working together as a NATIONAL action group.

This group can let the State Presidents know what is happening, so that they might get support and feedback from the Cobra community as a whole.
And...of course...getting info from. and working with the MANUFACTURERS....whose businesses depend upon the outcome.

All the ideas/replies/results being fed through just the one small group of dedicated people working together to get something done.

Just the start of an idea....but it sounds like it might have some chance of getting some results.....

Banging the bin lids together, and lighting the torches doesn't sound like it will achieve much.

The State Presidents can get on with the other things that they are asked to do....

Which...by the way....

Today, I have to put the finishing touches on the
VICTORY PARADE for the Brisbane ROAR...winners of the National A League Soccer in Brisbane last night.

The Lord Mayor has asked for a car for each of the players, for a grand parade through the city tomorrow.
I have collected 18 Cobras so far, so we will be right....

Should look cool with all the Cobras on show.
Pity I haven't got one to drive...yet.

Cheers,
Warren.

[Merv and Sharon]

That sounds like a very good idea Warren. I was, very poorly, suggesting that this should be at least part of our national agenda. it keeps coming up and will when ever the issue reaches a head in one state or another. As it has in NSW. I am sure that there are some among us who would work within what ever framework the CCC would like, to take the issue forward and attempt to develop a coordinated position for consideration by the members and state executives.

Again, your leadership is recognized and much appreciated.

[Philm]

Well said Warren.

[spookypt]

A thought.....maybe those that wish to formalise a true national ICV agenda could approach the CCCNSW and request that the Friday night meet and greet at the Cobra Nationals actually be a forum headed by a National Representative on these issues?

That way, each year, members have a once a year overview and update as to whats been happening the year prior etc..and those that want to voice can in an orderly fashon etc.

Just makes sense being a National event that it could cover these industry issues and then it can be chatted about over the ensuing weekends activities...

Would give people something to chat about while waiting for the rain to clear!!!!! Sorry edit that. It'll be fine in 2011.

[Merv and Sharon]

Baz this was your thread so let us know of we can help with the submission you have been preparing. It might have more clout if it was submitted via the CCC. Warrens and Matts suggestions seem a good way forward.