21st Cobra Nationals

[Cobra01]

Originally Posted by spookypt

Remember - All entries need to be received by September 19 2014. 8 Days to go before cut off!

Hi Spook

I sent my entry about 1 hour ago

All I need is the rego approval for the car

[spookypt]

Originally Posted by Cobra01

Hi Spook

I sent my entry about 1 hour ago

All I need is the rego approval for the car

Excellent. Will be great to have you along this year. So many are keen to see your car in the flesh fully rego'd. A milestone for you and a significant one for Craig @ AP also. To see Craig's idea hatch to what we see in the flesh in your build pics is outstanding. Not much good said these days about Australian manufacturing and its so good to see there are still a few choosing and proving it can be done here with great success.

Don't worry about QLD Transport.....We approve!

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by Cobra01

Hi Spook

I sent my entry about 1 hour ago

All I need is the rego approval for the car

Awesome news.

[Towmaster]

Originally Posted by Cobra01

Hi Spook

I sent my entry about 1 hour ago

All I need is the rego approval for the car

Brad,

As a scrutineer I can tell you that the car does not necessarily need to be registered but it needs to be 'registerable'. For the street classes it needs to have all things that a registered street car would have. working lights, full windscreen, full exhaust, legal tyres etc etc. Your car should pass even if technically it is not registered. Andrew's (Tenrocca) car has passed this test in the past when he was proudly unregistered....

[Rebel1]

Originally Posted by Towmaster

Brad,

As a scrutineer I can tell you that the car does not necessarily need to be registered but it needs to be 'registerable'. For the street classes it needs to have all things that a registered street car would have. working lights, full windscreen, full exhaust, legal tyres etc etc. Your car should pass even if technically it is not registered. Andrew's (Tenrocca) car has passed this test in the past when he was proudly unregistered....

Are there any rules preventing an entrant from competing in two classes?.

[David Hodgson]

Originally Posted by Rebel1

Are there any rules preventing an entrant from competing in two classes?.

You probably could Les, as long as the vehicle met the class requirements. You would most likely incur double entry costs though.

You can still win King Cobra from say Class 1 - you just need to be as fast as the very quick buys in Class 4 & 7

This is where I believe it is judged wrongly. A class 2 car will never win King Cobra. I believe it should be awarded to the highest points scorer within their respective class.

King Cobra is often won by a car that may not have won all their events but accumulated the most points due to quicker lap times. If you can beat all comers in your class, then why aren't you awarded the top gong?

Nuff said, I'll just duck now

[Tenrocca]

Originally Posted by David Hodgson

You probably could Les, as long as the vehicle met the class requirements. You would most likely incur double entry costs though.

You can still win King Cobra from say Class 1 - you just need to be as fast as the very quick buys in Class 4 & 7

This is where I believe it is judged wrongly. A class 2 car will never win King Cobra. I believe it should be awarded to the highest points scorer within their respective class.

King Cobra is often won by a car that may not have won all their events but accumulated the most points due to quicker lap times. If you can beat all comers in your class, then why aren't you awarded the top gong?

Nuff said, I'll just duck now

If someone was in a class with very few entries (1), they would almost automatically win king cobra. I think the current system is about right.

[David Hodgson]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

If someone was in a class with very few entries (1), they would almost automatically win king cobra. I think the current system is about right.

Mmmm... Good point

[Towmaster]

Originally Posted by David Hodgson

You probably could Les, as long as the vehicle met the class requirements. You would most likely incur double entry costs though.

You can still win King Cobra from say Class 1 - you just need to be as fast as the very quick buys in Class 4 & 7

This is where I believe it is judged wrongly. A class 2 car will never win King Cobra. I believe it should be awarded to the highest points scorer within their respective class.

King Cobra is often won by a car that may not have won all their events but accumulated the most points due to quicker lap times. If you can beat all comers in your class, then why aren't you awarded the top gong?

Nuff said, I'll just duck now

That's why they have awards for first second and third in the classes......

The King Cobra title goes to the overall quickest, most consistent, street registered Cobra.

Keith Baxter won the King Cobra Title without winning any of the events, he was just more consistent than the rest.

In 2011, of the five events, I won 3 overall and was second overall in another and still didn't win because I finished 20th (spin off) in the Lumleys lap....

You can be the fastest and still not win, you need to be consistent......

John White won King Cobra in a 4.0 litre naturally aspirated Lexus engined Cobra..... There were plenty of other faster, more higher powered Cobras around that year, but he was more consistent.

[David Hodgson]

Originally Posted by Towmaster

The King Cobra title goes to the overall quickest, most consistent, street registered Cobra.

Consistency over outright speed is what I was trying to convey Ash, with a form of handicap for parity to give the under dog a shot. But I guess parity is why V8 Supercars has lost flavour with a lot of guys.

I had forgotten about Sneaky's 4 litre effort.

Waz, "who ever has the most points overall is King" - true, I was just looking at an alternate method of accumulating points as the measure, but I guess racing is about speed and that is the most clear cut measure.

[David Hodgson]

This reminder on e-mail from Kim on the Nats committee:

Hi Guys,
well here we are, if you want to enter the 21st Cobra Nationals, the time is now, entries close TODAY. We are still very keen to get as many entries as possible so come on - ENTER...

Also, don't forget, we have our Nationals Merchandise on sale - see flyer attached (on Cobra Car Club NSW site as with entry forms and sup regs)

Also also, we are still looking for volunteers to help with the event - if you are able to help out, email Tasman McManis (tasman.mcmanis(at)hotmail.com) and advise the days and times you are able to help.

Many Thanks,
Kim Down
Cobra Car Club of NSW

[Rebel1]

Originally Posted by Rebel1

Are there any rules preventing an entrant from competing in two classes?.

Bugga ... I should have been more clear.
What I mean is two drivers sharing the one car but competing in two different classes. ie. not competing against each other in the same class just sharing the driving duties in different classes.

The only change to the set up of the car to comply with the regs would be a change of wheels/tyres.

Given two registration fees for the different drivers would be paid I can't see the problem.....or am I barking up the wrong tree?

[David Hodgson]

Les, I can’t see anything contrary in the supplementary regs.

Currently two entrants can use the same car in the same class, but I see where you’re going.

Class 1 is unlimited engine size but 15” road or “R” tyres, and class 2 & 3 is any road or “R” tyre but set engine sizes. So with or without a tyre change, the same car could be eligible to enter either 1&2 or 1&3, depending on engine size. Appears to be nothing preventing 15" tyres in class 2 or 3.

Each car is scrutinised for compliance to class, and some rotate tyres during the course of the weekend, but whether the officials would be happy with a tyre size change between events to comply with class requirements, not sure. There would be time on sprint day between events, but on Saturday there are 3 events run concurrently and you get three goes at each. Time would be tight to get all 3 goes each.

[spookypt]

Originally Posted by Rebel1

Are there any rules preventing an entrant from competing in two classes?.

Les, have you finished your car?