4000 series hub / upright / spidle options

Three Peaks · #1 (**permalink**) 03-18-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernica

I believe that JAMO would agree......

Document, document, document!

You and SAI may all have the best intentions, but as the saying goes:
"If it's not in writing, it didn't happen".
As much as you want to, changing running gear to another manufacturer without giving the original guys a chance to make it right, (in writing!!) will not fair well if things get bad. Either side can say that their parts are not approved and/or tested with the other product. Sorry, just the way of the world. A can of worms to be sure.
My 2 cents.
No, I am not a lawyer.

How could he possibly make it worse?

patrickt · #2 (**permalink**) 03-18-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Three Peaks

How could he possibly make it worse?

If you try really hard, you can always make a bad situation worse.

767Jockey · #3 (**permalink**) 03-18-2009, 08:45 PM

OK, here is what I don't understand. Unless I am way off base, Shelby did not change the chassis layout and front suspension pickup points. They essentially changed the A arm to spindle mounting, and the spindle / hub / caliper assembly. Is this correct? If so, where do they get off saying they don't have the parts to help you? All they have to do is go to their assembly line, take two complete front suspension assemblies and ship them to you. They should bolt right on to your frame attach points, and they should have the same geometry as what you have now. It's more expensive than they would like, but too bad. It isn't that they don't have the parts to help you - they just don't have the parts to help you as cheaply as they would like to help you. Push them.

Three Peaks · #4 (**permalink**) 03-18-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 767Jockey

OK, here is what I don't understand. Unless I am way off base, Shelby did not change the chassis layout and front suspension pickup points. They essentially changed the A arm to spindle mounting, and the spindle / hub / caliper assembly. Is this correct? If so, where do they get off saying they don't have the parts to help you? All they have to do is go to their assembly line, take two complete front suspension assemblies and ship them to you. They should bolt right on to your frame attach points, and they should have the same geometry as what you have now. It's more expensive than they would like, but too bad. It isn't that they don't have the parts to help you - they just don't have the parts to help you as cheaply as they would like to help you. Push them.

What he said +1-

franklin · #5 (**permalink**) 03-19-2009, 08:08 AM

Hi Rick,
Nope, fix it first then sell it. Yes, I am well aware that everything would have to change back to the frame. That's the best way to fix it. I also am familiar with the differences in handling of 15" tire vs 17".
Have fun drifting,

shelby racer · #6 (**permalink**) 03-19-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 767Jockey

OK, here is what I don't understand. Unless I am way off base, Shelby did not change the chassis layout and front suspension pickup points. They essentially changed the A arm to spindle mounting, and the spindle / hub / caliper assembly. Is this correct? If so, where do they get off saying they don't have the parts to help you? All they have to do is go to their assembly line, take two complete front suspension assemblies and ship them to you. They should bolt right on to your frame attach points, and they should have the same geometry as what you have now. It's more expensive than they would like, but too bad. It isn't that they don't have the parts to help you - they just don't have the parts to help you as cheaply as they would like to help you. Push them.

Yes, my parts are defective, but the more people I talk with and the more I look at the parts, I think there is a flaw in the design. I was asking for a fix or new (different) parts that were not flawed. SAI says that they do not have anything different. I still need to talk to them about possible design problems since I am so far from being an engineer. If they don't have anything else to give me, I don't think I really want more of the same that will be prone to the same problems.

As far as pushing them, I have already had one mis-communication with Amy over this. I was in the asking for help phase. I am now moving into the gentle persuasion phase because it is so much easier to resolve things as friends rather than advesaries. If push comes to shove I am prepared to go there - I guess being unemployed has an advantage that it gives me LOTS of time to try and deal with this problem. Commiunication is true art form. If the other party perceives that it is being threatened, they naturally become defensive and the dialog becomes advesarial.

shelby racer · #7 (**permalink**) 03-19-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Three Peaks

How could he possibly make it worse?

I would like to say that I am often misunderstood (which actually does happen frequently in the written word) but I do have a history of going 0-60 in 1 second flat. Not a very productive style. Can you force people to aquiesce through threat and intimidation - absolutely. Unfortunately you end up with few friends (who want to be around the drama) and you burn a lot of bridges. I have also found that sometimes the louder you say some thing - the less people hear - or the message (even if it is very reasonable) gets lost in the delivery.