Shelby CSX price increase! - Page 5

dcdoug · #1 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rodneym

With a Shelby you get the original suspension with (I believe) Baer brakes, not Girlings.

You are correct, they come with Baer brakes now, although I think some of the early 4,000 series came with the Girling brakes. Not sure the Girling brakes are even an option from Shelby anymore.

By the way, if I had gone with a Kirkham, I probably would have been one of the few that had it painted. I prefer the painted look, although I like the alloy on other people's cars, but then it just doesn't seem right to paint a Kirkham (and answering questions about why I painted it might have gotten old after a while).

tkb289 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dcdoug

... By the way, if I had gone with a Kirkham, I probably would have been one of the few that had it painted. I prefer the painted look, although I like the alloy on other people's cars, but then it just doesn't seem right to paint a Kirkham (and answering questions about why I painted it might have gotten old after a while).

Doug,

Good point ... I really like the bare 427 Kirkhams, they look good in their raw form.

On the other hand, I have only seen a few of the 289 Kirkhams in bare aluminum, and to me they just look better painted.

The one real advantage is not having to pick a color, but then there is the brushed or polished, stripes or no stripes.

Any way you slice it with these cars, there are a lot of decisions involved, which is a big part of the fun !

twobjshelbys · #3 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 10:34 AM

When you buy one of these due diligence of them will really wake you up.

I immediately excluded any Backdraft or other do it your self kit. (1) I didn't want to put it together and (2) I saw some cars that were so poorly assembled it was pitiful. I've seen bondo repairs that looked better than the overall quality of the vehicle. I'm not picking on BD or any other, but on the assemblers. I saw two at a car show this fall and they were pathetic. And a Cobra body on a Mustang II or BMW frame ain't a Cobra to me.

So that leaves the assembled rollers. Kirkhams are beautiful. Aluminum doesn't work for me - hail is a big problem here. That left Superformance and Shelby. Option them up the same and they were within $5K of each other. For that I'll take the Shelby. Add carbon fiber for almost no difference and that's what I settled on. Additionally the steering wheel on the Superformances all hit me on the lap. All said you can remove the seat slider rails - nope. The Shelby fit. Choice made.

Hey, the engine is a problem, but that's all sorted out now. And if I lived almost anywhere else in the country it would have been a much faster fix.

Cashburn · #4 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

I immediately excluded any Backdraft or other do it your self kit. (1) I didn't want to put it together and (2) I saw some cars that were so poorly assembled it was pitiful. I've seen bondo repairs that looked better than the overall quality of the vehicle. I'm not picking on BD or any other, but on the assemblers. I saw two at a car show this fall and they were pathetic. And a Cobra body on a Mustang II or BMW frame ain't a Cobra to me.

So much for an informed post

I think you have Backdraft confused with companies that sell kits... and let me know when you find a Cobra on a BMW frame???

RodKnock · #5 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cashburn

So much for an informed post

I think you have Backdraft confused with companies that sell kits... and let me know when you find a Cobra on a BMW frame???

You've never heard of the Bim-bra or the Cobr-immer?

Doug, I love red, blue with white stripes and black painted Cobras. One reason I chose unpainted is because I wouldn't have been able to make up my mind about a color scheme let alone a particular shade of color. I chose sanity first. I think psychologists call it "avoidance."

Mark IV · #6 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

I think psychologists call it "avoidance."

Indecision.......the key to flexibility!

dcdoug · #7 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Doug, I love red, blue with white stripes and black painted Cobras. One reason I chose unpainted is because I wouldn't have been able to make up my mind about a color scheme let alone a particular shade of color. I chose sanity first. I think psychologists call it "avoidance."

I thought you chose it because it would reflect the light better in your garage so you can see when you're kicking back in a lawn chair with a beer enjoying your car.....

Got the Bug · #8 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dcdoug

I thought you chose it because it would reflect the light better in your garage so you can see when you're kicking back in a lawn chair with a beer enjoying your car.....

OK, not piling on here....but the garage door stays closed. RodKnock monitors his car through a security camera in the comfort of his security bunker.

FredBMOC · #9 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 08:12 PM

Why can't some people learn to justify spending their own money simply on the merits of the product they bought instead of bashing everything else to make their purchase seem more reasonable?

that is a much more elegant and polite way of going about business in life

I Don't want to get into a pissing match here but please at least get your facts straight if you are going to bash a product .. Backdraft is not a kit nor is it an owner assembled car nor it has a BMW frame on it; that makes you 0-3 on the accuracy of your statements

. Hope you know the facts about Shelby a little better

BTW; I did go personally to the Shelby factory to compare their products to others prior to deciding on something else for myself and I still don't feel I need to bash what I saw there with my own eyes, not hearsay, not from the wife of my second cousin who knows another guy who may or may not know anything about the car I am bashing...
Congratulations on your Shelby, they are beautiful cars that you can certainly be proud of but I personally like mine better and that is ok too...

FLAME SUIT ON AND RUNNING FOR COVER...
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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

When you buy one of these due diligence of them will really wake you up.

I immediately excluded any Backdraft or other do it your self kit. (1) I didn't want to put it together and (2) I saw some cars that were so poorly assembled it was pitiful. I've seen bondo repairs that looked better than the overall quality of the vehicle. I'm not picking on BD or any other, but on the assemblers. I saw two at a car show this fall and they were pathetic. And a Cobra body on a Mustang II or BMW frame ain't a Cobra to me.

So that leaves the assembled rollers. Kirkhams are beautiful. Aluminum doesn't work for me - hail is a big problem here. That left Superformance and Shelby. Option them up the same and they were within $5K of each other. For that I'll take the Shelby. Add carbon fiber for almost no difference and that's what I settled on. Additionally the steering wheel on the Superformances all hit me on the lap. All said you can remove the seat slider rails - nope. The Shelby fit. Choice made.

Hey, the engine is a problem, but that's all sorted out now. And if I lived almost anywhere else in the country it would have been a much faster fix.

RodKnock · #10 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 11:14 AM

Does anyone know what the optional cost to a CSX would be if Girlings were added?

Also, with the Kirkham, you get their aluminum rear end, what rear end do you get with a CSX?

I almost purchased a used fiberglass CSX many moons ago, so it was amongst my choices. Ultimately, I wanted an aluminum body, the various Kirkham updates as well as the lightness of the billet suspension and aluminum rear end.

Also, what helped matters, was the consistency of nearly all of the Kirkhams being built in Provo, UT.

ERA Chas · #11 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

... I wanted an aluminum body, the various Kirkham updates as well as the lightness of the billet suspension and aluminum rear end.
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600 HP and all this lightness so it presses less forcefully on the garage floor, Knocker??

Got the Bug · #12 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by era chas

600 hp and all this lightness so it presses less forcefully on the garage floor, knocker??

Good one!

Stentor · #13 (**permalink**) 10-26-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Also, with the Kirkham, you get their aluminum rear end, what rear end do you get with a CSX?

My CSX has an aluminum rear-end from Kirkham.

RodKnock · #14 (**permalink**) 10-26-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stentor

My CSX has an aluminum rear-end from Kirkham.

Well that's interesting. Do you spec it that way? Do you have any other Kirkham parts?

Stentor · #15 (**permalink**) 10-26-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well that's interesting. Do you spec it that way? Do you have any other Kirkham parts?

I didn't spec the car that way; that's the way it came from Shelby. And the rear-end is the only part from Kirkham (as far as I am aware).

patrickt · #16 (**permalink**) 10-26-2010, 05:48 PM

Why can't we all just appreciate the differences in our cars and respect one another's unique traits for what they are? You know, that each car is beautiful and flawless in it's own special way. When we all can appreciate that fact then we'll all get along, and the world will be a better place.

DougD · #17 (**permalink**) 10-27-2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well that's interesting. Do you spec it that way? Do you have any other Kirkham parts?

It's not particularly interesting - they all come with the alum diff housing.

patrickt · #18 (**permalink**) 10-27-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DougD

It's not particularly interesting - they all come with the alum diff housing.

Hmmm, I tend to agree with you Doug. Sounds more like a gratuitous smack against the quality of the Shelby from an elitist Kirkham owner.

I'm a little shocked that Rod would stoop that low....

RodKnock · #19 (**permalink**) 10-27-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DougD

It's not particularly interesting - they all come with the alum diff housing.

Doug, it's not interesting to YOU. But you must realize that we're different people, right? So will you allow me to find something interesting?

I'm not familiar with what CSX's come equipped with from SAI and I have a desire to learn more about them for my own edification.

twobjshelbys · #20 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 08:38 PM

Well, Excuse Me! Sorry, the car I looked at wasn't well put together and I was told it was a Backdraft. If it wasn't, I don't know. I didn't look any further at that point. I'm positive there are beautiful and bad examples of all of them. An example of a bad CSX would be the CSX7076 fiasco.

The point is that if you take a Kirkham, Superformance and CSX (and probably others), and outfit them similarly, the prices will be similar as well. I know I can make a Kirkham more expensive than a CSX as I priced them. I made the decision to spend the extra dollars for a car that fit and worked in the climate where I live. Everyone has their reasons for making their choices. I also know that some, perhaps many, would never buy a Shelby even if they were of superior quality AND priced at the bottom of the rung. Whatever.