Shelby CSX price increase! - Page 4

kayakjack · #1 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FredBMOC

I honestly hope Shelby sells lots of them at extra $10K; it would be great for the whole industry and for the bottom line of all of the manufacturers

Hey, I hope he sells a lot of them for lots of money too. I hope my neighbor sells his house for $500,000 more than I think it is worth. Helps the value of my car (and my house). When I go to buy another one - not so much.

I just don't think in these economic times this is a great business move. Two reasons:

1. I don't think the pricing of a Shelby with a CSX number is elastic enough. Many people who would buy at the lower price will look elsewhere.

2. If you jack the price up and people look around they will see Kirkham. If they compare them, many would say they prefer the better car (Kirkham) than the CSX serial number. I would be one of them. Shelby is just one more person making cars that look like this (as has been proven in several court cases).

Jack

Dan Stryffeler · #2 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 06:36 AM

Selling price has no direct relationship to cost (except your sales price had better cover all your costs

)

Selling price is determined by what the market will bear...

If Shelby can capitalize on the $10k price increase, he's made the right move.

In an earlier post, a comment was made to the effect of "if dealers sell below (the new price) they will loose thier license." Can any lawyers chime in - isn't that a legal problem?

I remember Shebly taking some heat from consumers becuase dealers (Ford) were cranking prices on his mustangs way over sticker price and his comments were that sell price is beyond his control.

- Dan

ACademic · #3 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Stryffeler

If Shelby can capitalize on the $10k price increase, he's made the right move.

Place a Ollech & Wajs in the glove box and it might peak my interest.

cobrakiwi · #4 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 06:41 AM

I all so hope Shelby sells lots of cars at the higher price, (hopefully this may be a sign the economy may be coming right and the cobra is still popular). I think choosing between manufactures is no different than choosing paint, some people must have that code correct color with the right lay out of strips others do not. Some must have that CSX number some not. Some people must have the closest thing to the original cars they can afford. It would be cool to see how many people have traded up to a CSX car verses selling a CSX car for one of the other manufactures and why?

Cheers

JWilly · #5 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 09:50 AM

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The idea of an increase in my perception puts the buyer of a CSX in a position wanting something that is Shelby rather than any of the other replica Cobras out there. I think it's a nice way to keep the cars as a specialty rather than a car for bargain shoppers.

Greg Schroeder pretty much nailed it for me. When I purchased a CSX 4000/6000, I did so because I wanted something that is a Shelby and the Mustang does not speak to me. There really was no other reason, rationalization or consideration that meant anything to me other than I wanted a Shelby.

Learjockey1 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 01:30 PM

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United Kingdom, 1963 - 1964

One US dollar equals=

1963 0.3571 British Pound
1964 0.3582 British Pound

or effectively around 3 dollars per pound

I quoted Dave Friedman from the article on the $1500.

The original full quote from the book page 34 was, "Total cost of the car to Shelby American was 778/2/3 Pounds, roughly equal to $1500US"

Since the book was endorsed by Mr Shelby himself and Dave F. was the PR/Photoghper during this period I figured they would know better than I.

On page 86 of the same book, invoice no. 04233, CSX 2393 with engine #5214. silver/red and group "A" accessories with antifreeze ($3.55) was quote, " With $1,000 deposit, the total cost of the car was $4,474.05. Invoice was dated August 18, 1964. Tom Warth Collection."

The book is available from Branda.

A-Snake · #7 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Learjockey1

On page 86 of the same book, invoice no. 04233, CSX 2393 with engine #5214. silver/red and group "A" accessories with antifreeze ($3.55) was quote, " With $1,000 deposit, the total cost of the car was $4,474.05. Invoice was dated August 18, 1964."

For clarity, the invoice copy shown on that page and "most" invoices quoted in the SAAC World Registry are dealer cost figures UNLESS the car was delivered and invoiced directly to the first owner by SA. Then the quoted figures on the invoice are the MSRP. The base cost of $5,195. would have an MSRP of $5,995.

The antifreeze example of $3.55 would have an MSRP of $4.20

The "retail" on this car with these accessories would have been about $6300.

Learjockey1 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 02:10 PM

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On page 86 of the same book, invoice no. 04233, CSX 2393 with engine #5214. silver/red and group "A" accessories with antifreeze ($3.55) was quote, " With $1,000 deposit, the total cost of the car was $4,474.05. Invoice was dated August 18, 1964. Tom Warth Collection."

Including deposit, $5,474.00 in 1964 had the same buying power as $38,255.82 in 2010 for this running 289 car.

rodneym · #9 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 02:53 PM

I don't think we can simply compare 1965 dollars to 2010. It costs A LOT more to manufacture something with so much labor today than it used to. Especially skilled labor.
Taxes, health care, taxes, insurance, taxes, that nifty VAT that should be here before we know it...
Damn those Europeans are sofisticated.
rodneym

RodKnock · #10 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rodneym

Damn those Europeans are sofisticated.
rodneym

Yes, sophisticated enough to spell sophisticated with a "ph" not an "f".

(just joshing, Rodney, I misspell stuff all the time).

rodneym · #11 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, sophisticated enough to spell sophisticated with a "ph" not an "f".

(just joshing, Rodney, I misspell stuff all the time).

Oh, Rodknock, we had so much in common.
But now I see that the finer points have escaped you.

Sir RodneyM

RodKnock · #12 (**permalink**) 10-22-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rodneym

Oh, Rodknock, we had so much in common.
But now I see that the finer points have escaped you.

Sir RodneyM

I never really had a good grasp of the obvious. Please forgive me for the insinuation.

somedayaurora · #13 (**permalink**) 10-24-2010, 10:46 AM

FYI i believe Hi-Tech AZ is now Sagebrush and a 289 Hi-tech is on the for sale page.. Very Nice..
SDR

http://www.sagebrushroadsters.com/

http://www.clubcobra.com/classifieds...uct=3218&cat=2
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BT SNAKE · #14 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 09:21 AM

[quote=somedayaurora;1085705]FYI i believe Hi-Tech AZ is now Sagebrush and a 289 Hi-tech is on the for sale page.. Very Nice..
SDR

Do you know if they bought all the tooling for the
Hi-Tech Cobras or just molds? Maybe it is a former owner or employee that started up a business,

Hersh

somedayaurora · #15 (**permalink**) 10-26-2010, 09:16 AM

[quote=BT SNAKE;1085817]

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Originally Posted by somedayaurora

FYI i believe Hi-Tech AZ is now Sagebrush and a 289 Hi-tech is on the for sale page.. Very Nice..
SDR

Do you know if they bought all the tooling for the
Hi-Tech Cobras or just molds? Maybe it is a former owner or employee that started up a business,

Hersh

I believe tim gunnings is still the owner Hersh
SDR
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rustyBob · #16 (**permalink**) 10-24-2010, 02:47 PM

I dont care how much they raise the prices for the new Shelby Cobras.....
they wount be getting any of my cash.....
the originals are the only ones i would consider buying anyway.....
i'll stick with what i have its just as good or better than what
they are makeing now...
never was much of a fan of C.S. anyway.

ACademic · #17 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 08:28 AM

I think Rodney and a few others have been on target regarding this choice. Purchasing/owning a CSX, at least to me, is more about prominence. You hear the guys on the Speed Channel mention that continuously when the BJ auctions are on. If prominence is your primary motivation and you can afford to ante up, then why not? More power to you. Sure, the average Joe on the street won't know the difference, But it's your money, so who really cares what others think?

twobjshelbys · #18 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ACademic

I think Rodney and a few others have been on target regarding this choice. Purchasing/owning a CSX, at least to me, is more about prominence. You hear the guys on the Speed Channel mention that continuously when the BJ auctions are on. If prominence is your primary motivation and you can afford to ante up, then why not? More power to you. Sure, the average Joe on the street won't know the difference, But it's your money, so who really cares what others think?

It's Provenance. It has to do with the documented history of the vehicle (or any other collectible).

RodKnock · #19 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ACademic

I think Rodney and a few others have been on target regarding this choice. Purchasing/owning a CSX, at least to me, is more about prominence. You hear the guys on the Speed Channel mention that continuously when the BJ auctions are on. If prominence is your primary motivation and you can afford to ante up, then why not? More power to you. Sure, the average Joe on the street won't know the difference, But it's your money, so who really cares what others think?

Do you mean "provenance", not "prominence"?

I have a question about the CSX. Do you get an original type suspension with the Girling brakes included in the $49,995 price (soon to be $59,995)?

The Kirkhams used to charge (they may still, dunno) customers an additional $16,000 (retail) or thereabouts on top of their well-optioned base model.

Personally, I wouldn't want the original type suspension and certainly wouldn't pay $16,000 extra for it, but for the purist, at $49,995 that would seem like a good deal.

rodneym · #20 (**permalink**) 10-25-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

I have a question about the CSX. Do you get an original type suspension with the Girling brakes included in the $49,995 price (soon to be $59,995)?

The Kirkhams used to charge (they may still, dunno) customers an additional $16,000 (retail) or thereabouts on top of their well-optioned base model.

Personally, I wouldn't want the original type suspension and certainly wouldn't pay $16,000 extra for it, but for the purist, at $49,995 that would seem like a good deal.

Rodnknock,
With a Shelby you get the original suspension with (I believe) Baer brakes, not Girlings.
And I'm also pretty sure that Kirkham still charges that premium for original style suspension. I love the billet suspension and all the 'updates' of a Kirkham, that was a big reason for me choosing a KMP over CSX (glass). But if I wanted a more 'original' car I would've gotten a CSX (glass-for budget reasons) and still been very happy.
But there's another faction that's interesting: What about the guys who buy Kirkhams with original suspension and paint them? How does THAT compare to a Shelby Ally price wise? Did anyone here do it?
rodneym