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10-21-2010, 07:33 AM
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As a factory authorized Shelby Cobra CSX dealer I have the last seven (7) HST built CSX Cobras at SAI factory, in Las Vegas, being finished up - Until December 1st I will offer them for the old price of $ 49,995.00 (+ options) - They are as follows:
CSX 6063 - Color and options TBD by EOM
CSX 6065 - Navy Blue
CSX 6066 - Guardsman blue
CSX 6067 - LeMans Blue
CSX 6068 - Russo F-1 Red
CSX 6069 - Guardsman Blue w/ Wimbledon White LeMans stripes
CSX 6070 - framed and raw body - customer can pick color and options by EOM 11/2010
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10-21-2010, 08:51 AM
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Here is just another what if..... What if there was
another replica that was exactly like the fiberglass
Cobras Shelby sells. Down to the last nut, bolt and screw. And they were 40K instead of their old price of 50K. Now are you telling me they would still sell more of the Shelbys because of the name and CSX?
What's a Series I going for these days?
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10-21-2010, 10:32 AM
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Jeez, Hersh. You with your "what ifs". 
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony! 
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
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10-21-2010, 10:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
Jeez, Hersh. You with your "what ifs".
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony!
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
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Jeez, Rodney. For us non-watch guys, we have no clue what you just said.  
BTW, what does the acronym HST mean? Is that South Africa, Mexico or Las Vegas? I'm lost. Sorry. |
10-21-2010, 12:29 PM
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Quote:
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...BTW, what does the acronym HST mean? Is that South Africa, Mexico or Las Vegas? I'm lost. Sorry.
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HST = Horsepower, Speed & Torque
http://www.hstintl.com/index.php?submenu=1
That would be Mexico |
10-21-2010, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
Jeez, Hersh. You with your "what ifs".
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony!
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
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Like putting a Rolex movement in a Panerai case...
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10-21-2010, 02:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BT SNAKE
Here is just another what if..... What if there was
another replica that was exactly like the fiberglass
Cobras Shelby sells. Down to the last nut, bolt and screw. And they were 40K instead of their old price of 50K. Now are you telling me they would still sell more of the Shelbys because of the name and CSX?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
Jeez, Hersh. You with your "what ifs".
That is an intriguing question. I've seen this scenario done with guitars and watches. You could get an Ollech & Wajs watch made with NOS Breitling Navitimer parts, in effect buying a NOS Breitling for less than a new 'Real' Breitling. And the Ollech & Wajs will have the period correct movement. To watch fanatics 'in the know', it's better (in a vintage sense) than a new Breitling. All of us know Breitling but who would investigate an Ollech & Wajs?
Perhaps more of 'us' would buy the identical 'CSX' knockoff, but not Anthony!
Won't the Riverside Racers FIA fit this category?
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Actually, it's not a "what if", it's more of a "what happened to it". It's been done already. The company was called "High Tech / Hi-Tech" in Phoenix, AZ, that went bankrupt a while back. That car basically became the CSX4000 car, as Tom D'Antonio from Hi-Tech went to work for Shelby to start the CSX4000 series, and Hi-Tech continued to operate for a while under Tim Gunning.
BTW, I haven't heard of those watches before, but, can you give me some contact info, so I can have my buyer purchase a case of 50 or more of them for my collection?
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10-21-2010, 08:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony
BTW, I haven't heard of those watches before, but, can you give me some contact info, so I can have my buyer purchase a case of 50 or more of them for my collection?
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50? Is that all? 
If you check out this page http://www.gnomonwatches.com/Aviation.htm
it'll show a line called 'Aviation' by Ollech & Wajs. These watches are made of NOS Breitling parts from the 70's. These are Breitling time machines. For the WIS (Watch Idiot Savants - self proclaimed badge of honor), these watches are finer than the ubiquitous Valjoux 7750 movements that are in most every brand, from swiss watches ranging from $2,000 to $15,000.
If there was a Cobra equivalent, I don't know what it is. Well, I guess Shelby did have a story about old frames he found (and McCluskey looked SO guilty in those old photos). But, if Breitling kept these parts and put them back in the market.....big bucks (relatively).
I think future watch questions should be PM'd.
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10-22-2010, 05:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
50? Is that all?
If you check out this page http://www.gnomonwatches.com/Aviation.htm
it'll show a line called 'Aviation' by Ollech & Wajs. These watches are made of NOS Breitling parts from the 70's. These are Breitling time machines. For the WIS (Watch Idiot Savants - self proclaimed badge of honor), these watches are finer than the ubiquitous Valjoux 7750 movements that are in most every brand, from swiss watches ranging from $2,000 to $15,000.
If there was a Cobra equivalent, I don't know what it is. Well, I guess Shelby did have a story about old frames he found (and McCluskey looked SO guilty in those old photos). But, if Breitling kept these parts and put them back in the market.....big bucks (relatively).
I think future watch questions should be PM'd.
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Here's an ad from gnomonwatches website for a Cosmonaute...
'Watch Specifications:
Movement: New Old Stock Valjoux Calibre 7736 mechanical movement. Luminance: Tritium. Dial: Arabic numerals. 3 Chronograph subdials. Slider rule.'
It seems Breitling modified a Valjoux movement to suit their watches just like Rolex modified Valjoux for their early Daytonas. 6238-6265.
Cheers....
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10-22-2010, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken Oikawa
'Watch Specifications:
Movement: New Old Stock Valjoux Calibre 7736 mechanical movement. Luminance: Tritium. Dial: Arabic numerals. 3 Chronograph subdials. Slider rule.'
It seems Breitling modified a Valjoux movement to suit their watches just like Rolex modified Valjoux for their early Daytonas. 6238-6265.
Cheers....
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Ken,
The Valjoux 7736 and its sisters were the predecessor to the 7750, which is in Omega, Breitling, Tag Heuer, et al. Brands claim to modify but Omega does more than all other brands combined. Once you recognize the face layout of the 7750 you'll never forget it. The same movement in a Hamilton ($1,300) as a Chopard ($5,000). Of course we're not talking haute horology but they're good watches.
Rolex used the Valjoux 72 (I believe) in Daytonas but they're all in house now. Rolex is more vertical than any other swiss company. They're bullet proof movements and the finish is better than the past but not typically appreciated like Lemania. And I'm sure most fans would say the best movement ever in a Rolex Daytona was the Zenith El Primero, 36000 bph!
rodneym
Last edited by rodneym; 10-22-2010 at 12:24 PM..
Reason: changed to bph, not bpm.
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10-22-2010, 12:55 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Sold - Shelby Cobra CSX6045, 468 ci all aluminum Shelby engine
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[quote=stephen_becker;1085170]As a factory authorized Shelby Cobra CSX dealer I have the last seven (7) HST built CSX Cobras at SAI factory, in Las Vegas, being finished up - Until December 1st I will offer them for the old price of $ 49,995.00 (+ options) -
So let me get this straight. Shelby has announced a price increase effective December 1. Stephen is offering these at the old price until December 1. Sounds to me like he's offering them at the current price.
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10-22-2010, 01:00 PM
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[quote=Al G;1085420]
Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen_becker
As a factory authorized Shelby Cobra CSX dealer I have the last seven (7) HST built CSX Cobras at SAI factory, in Las Vegas, being finished up - Until December 1st I will offer them for the old price of $ 49,995.00 (+ options) -
So let me get this straight. Shelby has announced a price increase effective December 1. Stephen is offering these at the old price until December 1. Sounds to me like he's offering them at the current price.
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Sounds correct to me...but then on December 2nd, you will have to pay him an extra $10K for a vehicle that he already bought from Shelby for $10K less...correct??? |
10-22-2010, 01:03 PM
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Yes.
Thus, if you act on or after 12/01/10, then the existing CSX inventory is re-priced at $59,995 plus options. |
10-22-2010, 01:15 PM
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Sounds like a great way for a dealer to pocket an extra $10K from an unsuspecting buyer who waits to pull the trigger on a car already in their inventory...
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10-22-2010, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cobrakalas427
Sounds like a great way for a dealer to pocket an extra $10K from an unsuspecting buyer who waits to pull the trigger on a car already in their inventory...
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CSX buyers are not "unsuspecting." They're discriminating.
(take it easy, I'm just kidding). |
10-22-2010, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
CSX buyers are not "unsuspecting." They're discriminating.
(take it easy, I'm just kidding). |
No prob...I enjoy your sense of humor! |
10-22-2010, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
CSX buyers are not "unsuspecting." They're discriminating. |
I think I'm going to have to go with discriminating.  
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10-22-2010, 02:00 PM
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Sounds like a great way for a dealer to pocket an extra $10K from an unsuspecting buyer who waits to pull the trigger on a car already in their inventory...
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The way I interpreted Steven Becker's posting was that the cars he has are allocated to him but are still at the SAI factory.
The other thing is he may not actually pay Shelby money for these cars until they are sold, paying a floor plan fee instead until they actually sell either as a roller or completed unit. That way it has a single owner title/MSO assigned to it. |
10-27-2010, 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen_becker
As a factory authorized Shelby Cobra CSX dealer I have the last seven (7) HST built CSX Cobras at SAI factory, in Las Vegas, being finished up - Until December 1st I will offer them for the old price of $ 49,995.00 (+ options) - They are as follows:
CSX 6063 - Color and options TBD by EOM
CSX 6065 - Navy Blue
CSX 6066 - Guardsman blue
CSX 6067 - LeMans Blue
CSX 6068 - Russo F-1 Red
CSX 6069 - Guardsman Blue w/ Wimbledon White LeMans stripes
CSX 6070 - framed and raw body - customer can pick color and options by EOM 11/2010 |
Here are seven CSX's available. I wish I had some extra money lying around, I'd buy one, but right after I bought Allen English's RCR 40. |
10-27-2010, 12:01 PM
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Ernie,
There is a guy in Texas who has a very well built FF5 with a detuned BMW V12
with twin turbos (detuned down from 1000 to 700 range). Very clean build.
It has been done.
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