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11-29-2010, 05:51 PM
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Backdraft Racing Dealer
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Haven,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Backdraft Racing
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Originally Posted by patrickt
... and, presumably, if it is licensed from the man it is just as genuine as well?
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No, it's licensed.
If this were a discussion on another product it would not be so difficult. How about a football jersey? There's original, genuine, licensed, and replicas... |
11-29-2010, 06:22 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Originally Posted by Cashburn
No, it's licensed.
If this were a discussion on another product it would not be so difficult. How about a football jersey? There's original, genuine, licensed, and replicas...
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But "the man" has no more day-to-day involvement in building CSX cars than SPF cars. Why can he not lend his name to one and have it have the same effect as the other? |
11-29-2010, 06:41 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX 4000; Shelby aluminum FE with 58mm IDAs
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Originally Posted by patrickt
But "the man" has no more day-to-day involvement in building CSX cars than SPF cars. Why can he not lend his name to one and have it have the same effect as the other?
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Pat,
I think you are onto something. There might be a huge arbitrage opportunity for you with this. Vis-a-vis the Shelby CSX price increase, you could buy up as many new SPF rollers (or "kits"--if Ernie is reading this) as possible, and then sell them on the market at $5k below the new Shelby price for CSX cars (positioning the SPFs as "authentic" Cobras that are licensed by Shelby). 
You could probably sell the SPFs at the same price as the CSXs if you added dual roll bars with that authentic-style foam padding!  |
11-29-2010, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt
But "the man" has no more day-to-day involvement in building CSX cars than SPF cars. Why can he not lend his name to one and have it have the same effect as the other?
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Under the skin bro... pretty simple really. Name the 5 top criteria that make it genuine... I bet the guy has more than anyone else.
Should encourage him to build cars instead of lawsuits.
It's all good and a better approach. Most of this is simple posturing by owners of kits to put theirs higher on the food chain.  |
11-29-2010, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cashburn
Under the skin bro... pretty simple really.
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So if Shelby declared the SPF licensed cars to be "Genuine Shelby Cobras" they still would not be because of things like the radiator, pedals, and the like? |
11-29-2010, 07:25 PM
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So if Shelby declared the SPF licensed cars to be "Genuine Shelby Cobras" they still would not be because of things like the radiator, pedals, and the like?
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Can discuss that if he does. He won't. It's really easier then you are making it. |
11-29-2010, 07:31 PM
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Can discuss that if he does. He won't. It's really easier then you are making it.
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Will CSX cars made after his death still be real, genuine, Shelby Cobras? |
11-29-2010, 07:36 PM
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Will CSX cars made after his death still be real, genuine, Shelby Cobras?
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Even when he dies I'm sure they will just prop him up like the guy in "Weekends at Bernie's" and parade him around to Barrett Jackson and SAAC events |
11-29-2010, 07:47 PM
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Will CSX cars made after his death still be real, genuine, Shelby Cobras?
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Yes CSX cars will be genuine Shelby cars, because after all they are made by Shelby
Call 'em 2010 Shelby Cobras if you have to. The reality is the laws and regulations have changed and that is the only thing keeping turnkey Shelby Cobras from rolling off an assembly line.
For the record I consider a round tube frame far more important in the authenticity department then a slanted radiator. But I consider a value priced car with a better layout from a driving perspective even more important than that. So my posts are as weightless as yours or the knight who always says ni  |
11-30-2010, 11:17 PM
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Excaliber, the german Shelby "dealers" are even worse.
Worse in a way that they actually don't know better. Recently a car was offered as one out of only three CSX4000 ever with supercharger. The distinction "Shelby" and "60s" was used ignorantly in the ad for potential clients to assume it's a 60s supercharged CSX for €198.500
Well, if I orders 27 today then there will be 30 only with supercharger. And I wonder if Shelby actually has dealers in Gemany, or is they are self appointed because they once learned how to spell Carroll.
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11-30-2010, 11:32 PM
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"Dealer"
I actually got so annoyed with this ad in Germany that I translated the main parts (and THIS is giving the whole Shelby enterprise AND Superformance a bad, ignorant and unprofessional name in Europa - since years):
"Original Shelby Cobra with CSX4000 VIN aluminum body and supercharger...!! This car is considered to be the ultimate investment featuring meticulously maintained condition (413km on th clock...).
There were only 3 supercherged Cobras built by Carroll Shelby worldwide.
Original Shelby 427FE aluminum race-engine with supercharger and more than 725Hp...
Original Shelby VIN plate. This car is an absolute rarity signed by Carroll Shelby...
Since 2008 ist the company CAR the sole exclusive Shelby and Superformance dealer for Europe...."
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