For CSX 2000 and 3000 Series Cobra Owners Eyes Only

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Well, my car's top loader is out for repair... 2nd. and 3rd. gears are bad...

I'll bite, how the heck did you do that, I pounded on mine for 32 years with nary a problem, replaced it with a Jerrico so I could shift without a clutch. Did you run it out of gear lube? I had a NASCAR shop go through the Top Loader after I replaced it with the Jerrico and they said it looked like new.

[Tutosnake]

Well, you don't make me feel good about it AT ALL
I'm a spirited amateur driver
I knew mine was a refurbished one. Maybe not very good to start with. It's on its way to the builder for repair under warranty.
I first blamed it on my novice habits (though I have been shifting gears all my life). However, when I noticed the gears would pop out by themselves, I started wondering about their integrity.
If I have to start over, I'll get an all aluminum from Kees in San Antonio.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

...I noticed the gears would pop out by themselves, I started wondering about their integrity.

If that is your only problem, before you pull everything out, remove the trim ring and shifter boot from your tunnel and drive the car around for a while with nothing but a hole surrounding your shifter. If the problem vanishes, then there's nothing wrong with the transmission.

[Tutosnake]

Please, help me out and forgive me. It is hard to identify people I have never met in person. It seems to me, however, that there is not one challenger to REAL 1's position that is an ORIGINAL owner in this thread. Indeed, it seems to me that all challengers are non-original owners. Is this true? If that were the case, then REAL 1 is addressing the wrong audience. Unless you own an original car, your comment is pretty superfluous and inconsequential. The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras. They may arguably be, in some instances, a better product... but, guess what? They are NOT Shelby. I think REAL 1 has to relax, take the back seat, watch, and drive his car. There is no one on this earth that can convince this audience of the validity of a CSX Continuation car. Be that as it may, the fact remains. Original, real, copy, replica, kit, continuation... who cares. It is a Shelby Cobra, no matter how you approach and/or look at it. Ultimately, your paper work speaks for itself.
Just drive it.
I have expressed my full thought on this elsewhere.
In the meantime, somebody asked to talk about one's car, its virtues, its needs, etc., instead of the originality/authenticity issue. I made an attempt at digressing by telling you about my transmission, and no one paid attention. Obviously, then you are all fixated in a never ending issue. I guess it keeps some of you busy. I have no issue. I own a Shelby Cobra with the CSX6108 number. Does any one else?
Cheers!
Hector

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras.
Hector

Hector, this thread is for aluminum cars only, because a true replica must be made of aluminum.

Hector, first, there are owners of 1960's era Cobras on this thread and I get the feeling they're not fond of any replicas, including continuation Shelby Cobras. Second, this forum is for ALL Cobras, not just Shelby's. Please don't try to limit my or others free speech just because we don't own a Shelby Cobra. This is a public forum and we can speak as long as we abide by the rules of the forum.

Lastly, this thread is like all the threads before it on the subject. This thread should have been closed a long time ago. Did you read the OP's original question? How does it feel to be asked whether your CSX2000 or CSX3000 is real or an original? DUH!

[Tutosnake]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Hector, this thread is for aluminum cars only, because a true replica must be made of aluminum.

Hector, first, there are owners of 1960's era Cobras on this thread and I get the feeling they're not fond of any replicas, including continuation Shelby Cobras. Second, this forum is for ALL Cobras, not just Shelby's. Please don't try to limit my or others free speech just because we don't own a Shelby Cobra. This is a public forum and we can speak as long as we abide by the rules of the forum.

Lastly, this thread is like all the threads before it on the subject. This thread should have been closed a long time ago. Did you read the OP's original question? How does it feel to be asked whether your CSX2000 or CSX3000 is real or an original? DUH!

RodKnock! I like that you brought up the aluminum issue from our last exchange... I thought that was good
On the freedom of speech thing...CHILL!! It was never my intension to address that right EVER! What I meant is that here we are trying to explain our position on original v. real to what SEEMED to me non-Shelby Cobra owners (ERA, KM, etc.) and interestingly enough, not to owners of original cars. Again, I know there are owners of original cars in CC, but to my best estimate, none have written their view on this thread. Therefore, I suggested that perhaps the conversation, or debate should be entertained by the two subjects: CSX2000/3000 owners of original cars (and COC, COB, etc), and the owners of modern 4000/6000/1000/7000/9000 real cars. No intension to leave all you others out
You're so correct about original owners... I would be upset, too. That's why I would never consider buying an original CSX car (which is a moot point, because I do not have that kind of $$). Nowadays, if you shell out a cool mil to buy a unique car, please do yourself a favor and stay away from the most imitated car in automotive history If you want exclusivity, hit the ferrari, bugatti, jag, or porsche market But I guess what I was referring to is that even thouhg they should have the biggest chip on their shoulders, they do not necessarily behave like that on public forums.
I may be wrong, but it seems to me that owners of original cars may rightfully be upset about Mr. Shelby's financial maneuvers such as Continuation cars with CSX serial numbers, etc., BUT because THEY know they own one of the 900 or so original cars, that exclusivity is enough to allow them let the Continuation owners BE.
I would never expect a NON-ORIGINAL car to grace the lawn at Pebble Beach or Lake Como. I am also completely kosher with separating original from continuation cars are any venue. The owners of original cars deserve that. Nevertheless, those circumstances only deal with one fact: my car is not original. Those circumstances do not alter another fact: a CSX Continuation car is a real Shelby Cobra.
Oh, and I forget who mentioned this, but I want to go on record here at CC:
Although I would not mind making a profit in ANY transaction I involve myself, I did not buy a CSX continuation car as an investment. That's ridiculous Read my comments again! I would NEVER buy a Cobra (original or not) as an investment. There are many better cars for that!!! A CSX car gave ME the satisfaction of buying a Shelby product, certifiable as such, and nothing else.

I really enjoyed this debate, to be honest. I think it stimulates creativity and makes me laugh at times
To close this message, I would like to thank Mr. REAL 1 for commenting on my car.
Cheers!!
Tuto

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Again, I know there are owners of original cars in CC, but to my best estimate, none have written their view on this thread.
Cheers!!
Tuto

Tuto, there may be others, but "A Snake", "Cobra #3170" and "Nedsel" are all owners of original 1960's era Shelby Cobras and have commented on this thread.

Originally Posted by LightNFast

That's correct. My car is not "licensed by SAI". It is built under the license of "Carroll Shelby Licensing Inc."

Maybe others can see a difference here in this statement, but I sure don't.

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Tuto, there may be others, but "A Snake", "Cobra #3170" and "Nedsel" are all owners of original 1960's era Shelby Cobras and have commented on this thread.



Maybe others can see a difference here in this statement, but I sure don't.

Actually, one of this group no longer owns any Shelby Cobras. But he does have a genuine, original AC Cobra, and as this thread evolves, he is increasingly happy about that fact.

[Tutosnake]

[quote=RodKnock;1249915]Tuto, there may be others, but "A Snake", "Cobra #3170" and "Nedsel" are all owners of original 1960's era Shelby Cobras and have commented on this thread.

Duly noted, Mr. RodKnock! That's why I wrote to the best of my knowledge. It's hard to offers one's opinion when you don't know anybody behind the screen. It gives me pleasure and it is really cool to know that owners of original cars are here in this thread...whoop, whoop

I'm boarding my plane now. Can't wait to see the development of this thread later on tonight !

Tuto

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Please, help me out and forgive me. It is hard to identify people I have never met in person. It seems to me, however, that there is not one challenger to REAL 1's position that is an ORIGINAL owner in this thread. Indeed, it seems to me that all challengers are non-original owners. Is this true? If that were the case, then REAL 1 is addressing the wrong audience. Unless you own an original car, your comment is pretty superfluous and inconsequential. The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras. They may arguably be, in some instances, a better product... but, guess what? They are NOT Shelby. I think REAL 1 has to relax, take the back seat, watch, and drive his car. There is no one on this earth that can convince this audience of the validity of a CSX Continuation car. Be that as it may, the fact remains. Original, real, copy, replica, kit, continuation... who cares. It is a Shelby Cobra, no matter how you approach and/or look at it. Ultimately, your paper work speaks for itself.
Just drive it.
I have expressed my full thought on this elsewhere.
In the meantime, somebody asked to talk about one's car, its virtues, its needs, etc., instead of the originality/authenticity issue. I made an attempt at digressing by telling you about my transmission, and no one paid attention. Obviously, then you are all fixated in a never ending issue. I guess it keeps some of you busy. I have no issue. I own a Shelby Cobra with the CSX6108 number. Does any one else?
Cheers!
Hector

Tuto: I'm not trying to convince anyone. Don't misunderstand. I fully realize that there are some that have their own agenda and will never agree publically and realized it years and years ago. Believe me. Just making my point on a public forum so anyone (including "civilians") reading the thread will see the "facts" are otherwise as stated by the world's leading authority, SAAC. Then had to respond to the comment that I am " lying" to the lay person. Can't let that one go. However, I understand those that continue to argue the point will never publicily agree for their own reasons. I've said all there is to say.

To challenge me on my position is to challenge SAAC and the World Registry on theirs. I don't care what anyone says including those fortuante enough to own an original series Cobra. The SAAC and World Registry has spoken.

You are right, my friend, its all right there in your title work and the World Registry where it says Shelby Cobra. BTW, your car looks great.

Rodknock: Yes, you caught me I'm "lying" about unintentionally makeing my statement. It was part of my nefarious strategy in making my point by making it harder to read. You are quite the sluth.

I am now taking my Cobra out for a ride. Beautiful day and get to answer more is it "real" questions.

[REAL 1]

Oop. Double post. Damn I pad again.

[computerworks]

I told you ...you will never understand.

[REAL 1]

Neither wll you.

[REAL 1]

Ron: Thanks. The only issue I have with you is your use of the word "lie". That is unfair and wrong.

I see you continue make statements inconsistent and twist what has been stated in the SAAC Registry. You have one, right? It's all in there. It's actually set forth very clearly in such a manner it's not even subject to a debate as to what it says. It's very well written. Why, even "civilians" can understand it!

The fact that you are a moderator here, concours judge and an official with SAAC does not give you individually some unstated or unseen "appellate" power over what the World Registry says.

And, yes, I do try and educate the public when they ask about my car. I dislike ignorance. It's also the fact I can't let self serving views inconsistent with the World Registry set forth on public forum go unchallenged

I know that from time to time you will pop in and try and misstate the facts and twist things and even resort to saying I am "lying" to the "civilian" but I will continue to call BS when you do.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I fully realize that there are some that have their own agenda and will never agree publically and realized it years and years ago.

Evan,

We're you looking at yourself in the mirror when you wrote that line

Enjoy the ride.

Bill S.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Please, help me out and forgive me. It is hard to identify people I have never met in person. It seems to me, however, that there is not one challenger to REAL 1's position that is an ORIGINAL owner in this thread. Indeed, it seems to me that all challengers are non-original owners. Is this true? If that were the case, then REAL 1 is addressing the wrong audience. Unless you own an original car, your comment is pretty superfluous and inconsequential. The issue here is between a CSX2000/3000 owner and a 4000/6000/7000 one. So far, and again correct me if I'm wrong, I have yet to witness an owner of an original challenge REAL 1. ERA, Kirkham, FF, are all very nice indeed, but they are NOT Shelby Cobras. They may arguably be, in some instances, a better product... but, guess what? They are NOT Shelby. I think REAL 1 has to relax, take the back seat, watch, and drive his car. There is no one on this earth that can convince this audience of the validity of a CSX Continuation car. Be that as it may, the fact remains. Original, real, copy, replica, kit, continuation... who cares. It is a Shelby Cobra, no matter how you approach and/or look at it. Ultimately, your paper work speaks for itself.
Just drive it.
I have expressed my full thought on this elsewhere.
In the meantime, somebody asked to talk about one's car, its virtues, its needs, etc., instead of the originality/authenticity issue. I made an attempt at digressing by telling you about my transmission, and no one paid attention. Obviously, then you are all fixated in a never ending issue. I guess it keeps some of you busy. I have no issue. I own a Shelby Cobra with the CSX6108 number. Does any one else?
Cheers!
Hector

You're not alone, and it does appear the bashing is always from members that don't actually own Shelby Cobras. There's obviously some bad blood going on here but it's still disappointing that a Senior Member would call someone that purchased his car as a Shelby... and says it's a "real Cobra from Shelby" a liar. Other than resale value, that's the point of paying the premium... You can honestly say it's a real Shelby Cobra. I liar is one that calls their replica a "Cobra" unless of course it's a real Shelby.

I also highly doubt owners of 2000 & 3000 series cars care much about what replicas are called.

This thread isn't completely useless, it can always serve as a bad example.

.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

You're not alone, and it does appear the bashing is always from members that don't actually own Shelby Cobras. There's obviously some bad blood going on here but it's still disappointing that a Senior Member would call someone that purchased his car as a Shelby... and says it's a "real Cobra from Shelby" a liar. Other than resale value, that's the point of paying the premium... You can honestly say it's a real Shelby Cobra. I liar is one that calls their replica a "Cobra" unless of course it's a real Shelby.

I also highly doubt owners of 2000 & 3000 series cars care much about what replicas are called.

This thread isn't completely useless, it can always serve as a bad example.

.

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

[LightNFast]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

That's my point. I didn't say owns a "Shelby" I said owns a "Shelby Cobra". You're slipping....

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by LightNFast

That's my point. I didn't say owns a "Shelby" I said owns a "Shelby Cobra". You're slipping....

No, you own a Shelby licensed component car. I say this as that is how SAIabeled and sold them. Unlike the CSX2000/3000 series cars which were mostly sold as turn key vehicles, the continuation series cars could not be legally sold as such. Shelby himself acknowledged the cars as component vehicles, why can't you? Does it make you feel superior to think otherwise?

Bill S.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Well, actually I do own an original Shelby, so that blows your theory out of the water. Ask why CSX Continuation cars Re shut out of pebble beach or other such prestigious events. Or why Continuation series cars Re parked seperatly from CSX2000/3000 cars at other events. It is most certainly not done out of envy.

Truth s told I find more continuation series cars with a chip on their shoulders because there cars are not treated as equals to the CSX2000/3000 series cars. Perhaps because they bought in to the hype that SAI dished out while they were selling them. Expecting them to become the next overnight quality investment and double in value.

Bill S.

Hmm, I suspect that someone trying to enter a 2013 Corvette Z06 into Pebble Beach would just be a confused person, yet he/she still owns a "real" Corvette, just not an "original" Z06.