Aluminum Body Shelby Continuation rollers $160,000.00

[REAL 1]

Just got some information that Shelby Continuation aluminum rollers are going up to $160,000.00.

Seems if you can buy an aluminum Continuation series for $200,000.00 right now, that would be the move. After rollers hit $160,000.00 a finished car will clearly be north of $200,000.00 by a good margin especially if finished nicely and with detail.

[tcrist]

Yea, but you still end up with a Kirkham and a Kirkham is a lot less.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by tcrist

Yea, but you still end up with a Kirkham and a Kirkham is a lot less.

Kirkham's are still bargain basement priced at $69,500.00.

[MRGEORGE077]

Originally Posted by tcrist

Yea, but you still end up with a Kirkham and a Kirkham is a lot less.

Yep, but it's not a Shelby

[RodKnock]

Well this is very exciting news.

BTW, there are a lot of zeros in your post. And some were actually needed.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Just got some information that Shelby Continuation aluminum rollers are going up to $160,000.00.00.

Seems if you can buy an aluminum Continuation series for $200,000.00 right now, that would be the move. After rollers hit $160,000.00 a finished car will clearly be north of $200,000.00 by a good margin especially if finished nicely and with detail.

Evan,

Most complete, running, driving aluminum continuation series cars have trouble selling in the 125-150K range. Wonder how they will justify the bump in base pricing for a roller.



Bill S.

[RodKnock]

Not that it somehow justifies the price increase, but the market seems to be good for Cobra replicas. And IIRC, the Kirkham's are sold out until next Spring.

Bill Malone's top-of-the-line black fiberglass CSX4000 with a Cammer sold for $110K at auction last year at this time. I heard he later bought it back for less.

Personally, I'd rather buy a 1965-1966 GT350 for the money, if staying within the Shelby marque. If considering comparison buys outside the marque, then the list of possibilities is large.

[REAL 1]

Last I saw asking prices for aluminum bodies Shelbys were hitting near$200,000.00. I also saw Shelby Dealer advertising looking to buy aluminum bodies Shelbys.

Bill: Ok...sure...If you have some actual verifiable sales figures for aluminum bodied Continuation Cobras please post. Your figures are WAY off according to my source who restores originals and still finishes some continuation cars.

Tcrist: Saying you still end up with a Kirkham is like saying when you buy an original Shelby you still end up with an AC There is clearly a vast price difference between the two as to both original vs. AC and Continuation vs. Kirkham.

[Tommy]

I have two comments. First, if the demand exceeds the supply by a large enough margin, I suppose anything is possible. Second, I used to see guys by the side of the road selling velvet Elvis paintings and I couldn't imagine who was buying. Again, I suppose anything is possible. .... All this says more about why I never sough a career selling stuff than it does the value of Shelby's version of a Cobra replica.

[turnpike boy]

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[Al G]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Last I saw asking prices for aluminum bodies Shelbys were hitting near$200,000.00. I also saw Shelby Dealer advertising looking to buy aluminum bodies Shelbys.

Bill: Ok...sure...If you have some actual verifiable sales figures for aluminum bodied Continuation Cobras please post. Your figures are WAY off according to my source who restores originals and still finishes some continuation cars.

There are two advertised on Cobra Country for $195,000 and $199,000. Granted, the selling price might end up being less but I think Evan is in the ballpark.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Al G

There are two advertised on Cobra Country for $195,000 and $199,000. Granted, the selling price might end up being less but I think Evan is in the ballpark.

As you already know, they can "ask" whatever they want. I know of one listed down under for $500,000, does not mean he will get it.


Bill S.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Just got some information that Shelby Continuation aluminum rollers are going up to $160,000.00.

Seems if you can buy an aluminum Continuation series for $200,000.00 right now, that would be the move. After rollers hit $160,000.00 a finished car will clearly be north of $200,000.00 by a good margin especially if finished nicely and with detail.

Say, didn't Brian Angliss keep raising the price of his cars when the market was hot and then end up pricing himself out of the market when it took a down turn? Where did that get him? On the outside looking in? And then Lubinsky took over AC to well, um, ...

Remember when Shelby priced the completion cars at 500k? How many did they end up selling? I wonder what happened to all of those frames and parts source from McCluskey?

Is 160k for an aluminum CSX4000 (Kirkham based) roller or the aluminum CSX1000 deluxe roller source from England? If 160k is for the CSX4000, what did they raise the price of the CSX1000 to?

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Say, didn't Brian Angliss keep raising the price of his cars when the market was hot and then end up pricing himself out of the market when it took a down turn? Where did that get him? On the outside looking in? And then Lubinsky took over AC to well, um, ...

Remember when Shelby priced the completion cars at 500k? How many did they end up selling? I wonder what happened to all of those frames and parts source from McCluskey?

Is 160k for an aluminum CSX4000 (Kirkham based) roller or the aluminum CSX1000 deluxe roller source from England? If 160k is for the CSX4000, what did they raise the price of the CSX1000 to?

Yes, I realize I'm quoting myself, ... but maybe I can help us get back to the subject at hand, or at least my take on it.

Let's forget about the adjectives like "real", "genuine", "original", "component", , "continuation", "completion", "replica", etc.

Shelby American sells a car today that they are legally entitled to call a "Shelby Cobra". It is similar to the cars they sold in the 1960s, but it is a brand new car. They have raised the price on the aluminum version of that car and continue to do so.

My thought is perhaps they might some day price themselves out of the market. And maybe that some day is now?

When comparing a brand new aluminum "Shelby Cobra" to a brand new aluminum competitor's car, like a Kirkham. There are certainly things to consider, since both are different in a number of ways:

- Components: more original style suspension versus light weight billet suspension, gauges, head light trim rings, side pipes, etc.
- Paint: painted versus non-painted
- Option Cost: cost of stripes, cost of polished finish, etc.
- Brand Name: "Shelby" brand name and serial number versus not a Shelby
- Customer Service

Although the Kirkham is in the SAAC registry, at some point I got the impression it is more there to keep track a car that can easily be confused with a modern day (or even an original) Shelby Cobra, then for it to be there to acknowledge it as a legitimate Cobra. So even though Kirkhams are in the registry, that does not really do much for me.

Now I don't have a bunch of money burning a hole in my pocket to buy either a current generation Shelby Cobra or a Kirkham, but if I did have the money, I suppose there would be a certain premium price that I would consider paying extra for a completed running Shelby Cobra over a similarly equipped completed running Kirkham (painted with original style suspension). But if we are talking $200k versus $100k for completed running cars, I think the 100% premium markup for the Shelby is not worth it to me personally.

Now Evan got into the game with his car years ago when the markup was not as big. Evan what would you do today? Would you still buy the Shelby Cobra today over an identical Kirkham just for the Shelby brand name and CSX serial number considering today's price difference?

At some price point, Shelby could price themselves out of the market. Just consider the extreme case, they could raise the price of a brand new Shelby Cobra to more than the going price of a 1960's Shelby Cobra. At that point, you might as well just buy an original. It would be just as expensive to insure and worry about crashing.

And after all didn't Shelby price themselves out of the market before with the "completion" series at $500k? The answer to that was to start the "continuation" series. I suppose if they price themselves out of the market again, they just have to come up with a new series name at a lower price point. Hmm, I wonder what they would call it, maybe "perpetuation" series?

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I suppose if they price themselves out of the market again, they just have to come up with a new series name at a lower price point. Hmm, I wonder what they would call it, maybe "perpetuation" series?

No they'd call it a Shelby Licensed Superformance-Cobra,,,

[REAL 1]

1ntCobra: Good points. However, remember the Completion series cars turned out not to have original frames. That's what did them in at 500k. Might have been very different otherwise.

I don't know what I would do now between buying a Kirkham or a CSX Continuation Cobra. Depends on available and reserve funds for sure. As originals increase in value certainly there is more upward room for the Continuation Cobras with the reverse applying.

I will say this that if SAI goes out of business the value of the Continuation Cobras will go up substantially.

Bill: just got back from a ride in the old gal. Beautiful day.

Patrick: skipped the Marvel Mystery oil with my fill up. Car seems to run much better. Maybe I was putting in too much MM oil. Now going to check those air molecules.

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I don't know what I would do now between buying a Kirkham or a CSX Continuation Cobra. Depends on available and reserve funds for sure. As originals increase in value certainly there is more upward room for the Continuation Cobras with the reverse applying.

I will say this that if SAI goes out of business the value of the Continuation Cobras will go up substantially.

I hold a similar view. I also ask myself, "What do I want to leave in the garage for my heirs when I die?" If they wanted to liquidate it, the Kirkham (lower price point) would sell faster. But that CSX would still command a premium (from someone, drunken sailors not withstanding ) over anything else "not from the '60's" because of those three letters. Then there is also that part of the market that strictly caters to people that have "F you" money, so they know they will sell a few at the ceiling.

For purposes of clarity, me and most other people that post on forums do not have F you money.

[CHANMADD]

Desperado.......why dont you come to your senses...............................::........... .
The thing that worries me the most is........will the following generation continue our craziness for these cars..?

[vector1]

I hope they sell all they can at $200k, and still keep going up.

[REAL 1]

I'm just reporting the information I heard.

One thing for sure the Shelby aluminum continuation purchase price is going up regardless of your opinion on the car.

Prices on originals have gone up and down over the years too.

One thing for sure, if SAI goes out of business or stops producing continuation Cobras the continuation values will go up even more.