Aluminum Body Shelby Continuation rollers $160,000.00

[OZCOBRA]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And I'm reminded of the proverb "A fool and his money are soon parted."
.

Really saves me continuing the ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz at the Alamo!!!

Ultimately it aint REAL1 if it aint 60's production...Continuation is Replication!!


You want to shell out or try to Justify $150/200K for the letters CSX on a replica....Wank factor!!....we'll keep making them and rais'n the $$$ because keep buyin them!!!.....

If i were to spend that amount of coin I'll be payin that for a replica that has the workmanship and substance to warrant that type of dollar and there are few of those!!!
...... and not because it has CSX 4000 or later as a prefix and its on a registery so I can say its real1!!!

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And I'm reminded of the proverb "A fool and his money are soon parted."

Aptly put my friend.
I have ever told you that I find your statements most eloquent?!

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Well when the buy in cost of a new one is going to be $210K+ depending on options and detail plus the excruciating wait for the aluminum roller to arrive from Shelby that helps the value of the used ones go up does it not???

Possibly true... but more so, me thinks that flow on ramification is that it increases the wait list for a kirkham

I got no facts to prove it... but hey, why don't you try ordering one to just verify.

Just saying

[Al G]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I only found one alloy CSX (4400) on CobraCountry and the way that one is finished under the hood makes me think that anything near $200K is a dream. It's also a dealer, which likely means it's NOT priced to sell.

Look further down the page for CSX4387 listed at $195K.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Al G

Look further down the page for CSX4387 listed at $195K.

That car has been listed for that price for 5 months, the owner and I will both be shocked if it goes for more than $150,000, I talked to the owner he is eager to sell, he wants a Ferrari... Real 1 offer him $180,000 you will make a quick $30k...If it were only that easy we would all do it...

[REAL 1]

Gee, simple math seems to indicte that being that you won't be able to even buy a rolling aluminum chasis for $150K that would be a great price. Maybe you should buy it at that number if he will sell. You could make out or if he is smart he should hold out and wait for the price increase and he is likely to get his price or close to it.

I already have one. I'm saving for another FGT but they keep going up in price. but its not all bad since I have one.

[OZCOBRA]

Mmmmm.....DEFINITIVE!!!
" SAAC is dedicated to the preservation, care, history and enjoyment of cars from Shelby American, 1961-1970."????????

[ERA Chas]

Ev-
We all well know your position on this matter. Be content with the apparent comfort you can take for being long a CSX. Please don't make this yet another 'last stand at the Alamo'. No one has been convinced and gone over to your side from the last time.

Instead, tell us if the patented 'Patrick-Air-Bleed-Fix-All' was successful on your carb question.
Or how many air molecules you keep in the tires on damp days-
Or-ANYTHING else....

[mikiec]

Just because the registry calls it cobra, it's still a replica. And as far as I am concerned not worth 200K.

[tcrist]

I guess I look at it a bit different than most.

I believe that the later years CSX is an original Shelby Cobra. It’s just not an original 60's Shelby Cobra.

It could be made with the same tooling as the 60's Shelby Cobra's and someone put in a 1960's drive train in it. But it does not make it a 60's Shelby Cobra.

If it was built in 2013, then it is an original 2013 Shelby Cobra.

Just my opinion, which means not a darn thing.

[REAL 1]

Chas: You are correct. No "last stand". Not trying to convince anyone of anything here. Just pointed out the surprising $20,000.00 price increase on the
Shelby aluminum Cobra rollers to $160,000.00 and usual peanut gallery can't contain themselves and start voicing their "opinions" on the "real" vs. replica issue. Opinions are like a$$holes. Eveyone has one. Fair enough. Fact is the leading authoirty on this issue has definitively spoken via their World Registry. Debate over regardless of personal opinions of the peanut gallery.

I know when I bought my Shelby in 1999 they were selling for $72,000.00 as a roller. Call me a "fool who parted with my money for an aluminum Shelbyl" but seems like my car just may have appreciated over the years. Haven't tried to sell it recently but back in or about 2003/2004 I did offer it for sale and had two guys flying out to see it at $140,000.00 as I recall. I made it clear I was not negotiable. One was from Minnesota and one from Florida. I got cold feet and decided not to sell it. The guy from Minnesota was very disappointed as he seemed pretty hot for the car. I think that is what scared me off. I'm pretty confident one of those gents was going to buy it.

I had to sell my Excalibur and my ERA replica for less then what I paid. There was no way I could sell them for more than what I paid for it.

Does anyone here think they can sell their replica ERA, Contemporary, Backdraft, Unique, etc...for more then what they paid? If so let us know. I'm not talking about those buying at wholesale for a quick sale or flip. I'm talking about those who have bought and held for a number of years and enjoyed and decided to sell.

I agree that the asking price does not set the value. Just pointing out an indicator of which the asking price is an indicator. If they start changing hands at those prices or near those prices then you have value. Further, with the current price increase a Shelby aluminum rolling chasis at $160,000.00 putting a completed car at $210,000+ this is likely to drive the value of existing used and immediatley available aluminum Shelbys higher. Can't say for sure but it certainly seems logical and reasonable to conclude this.

CSX3170: No not a relative of mine. That sign is a little over the top. Plus he obviously doesn't know much about GT/GT40 history. Ford GT was the cars official name and always has been. The moniker GT40 was mearly the project code name and was later copyrighted by Thorton who started the Safir group. The moniker GT40 became the popularly known name for the car based on press descriptions. With the iconic status the new Ford GT has attained that moniker has attained a similar luster. Likewise Safir cannot use the Ford GT moniker which has been copyrighted by Ford.

Tcrist: I agree with you and so does SAAC. Only difference is the new Shebys are not deemed part of the original series. They are continuation series Cobras.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Chas: You are correct. No "last stand". Not trying to convince anyone of anything here. Just pointed out the surprising $20,000.00 price increase on the
Shelby aluminum Cobra rollers to $160,000.00 and usual peanut gallery can't contain themselves and start voicing their "opinions" on the "real" vs. replica issue. Opinions are like a$$holes. Eveyone has one. Fair enough. Fact is the leading authoirty on this issue has definitively spoken via their World Registry. Debate over regardless of personal opinions of the peanut gallery.

I know when I bought my Shelby in 1999 they were selling for $72,000.00 as a roller. Call me a "fool who parted with my money for an aluminum Shelbyl" but seems like my car just may have appreciated over the years. Haven't tried to sell it recently but back in or about 2003/2004 I did offer it for sale and had two guys flying out to see it at $140,000.00 as I recall. I made it clear I was not negotiable. One was from Minnesota and one from Florida. I got cold feet and decided not to sell it. The guy from Minnesota was very disappointed as he seemed pretty hot for the car. I think that is what scared me off. I'm pretty confident one of those gents was going to buy it.

I had to sell my Excalibur and my ERA replica for less then what I paid. There was no way I could sell them for more than what I paid for it.

Does anyone here think they can sell their replica ERA, Contemporary, Backdraft, Unique, etc...for more then what they paid? If so let us know. I'm not talking about those buying at wholesale for a quick sale or flip. I'm talking about those who have bought and held for a number of years and enjoyed and decided to sell.

I agree that the asking price does not set the value. Just pointing out an indicator of which the asking price is an indicator. If they start changing hands at those prices or near those prices then you have value. Further, with the current price increase a Shelby aluminum rolling chasis at $160,000.00 putting a completed car at $210,000+ this is likely to drive the value of existing used and immediatley available aluminum Shelbys higher. Can't say for sure but it certainly seems logical and reasonable to conclude this.

CSX3170: No not a relative of mine. That sign is a little over the top. Plus he obviously doesn't know much about GT/GT40 history. Ford GT was the cars official name and always has been. The moniker GT40 was mearly the project code name and was later copyrighted by Thorton who started the Safir group. The moniker GT40 became the popularly known name for the car based on press descriptions. With the iconic status the new Ford GT has attained that moniker has attained a similar luster. Likewise Safir cannot use the Ford GT moniker which has been copyrighted by Ford.

Tcrist: I agree with you and so does SAAC. Only difference is the new Shebys are not deemed part of the original series. They are continuation series Cobras.

I think in 2003 2004 the economy was better, was it not...

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Chas: You are correct. No "last stand". Not trying to convince anyone of anything here. Just pointed out the surprising $20,000.00 price increase on the
Shelby aluminum Cobra rollers to $160,000.00 and usual peanut gallery can't contain themselves and start voicing their "opinions" on the "real" vs. replica issue. Opinions are like a$$holes. Eveyone has one. Fair enough. Fact is the leading authoirty on this issue has definitively spoken via their World Registry. Debate over regardless of personal opinions of the peanut gallery.

I know when I bought my Shelby in 1999 they were selling for $72,000.00 as a roller. Call me a "fool who parted with my money for an aluminum Shelbyl" but seems like my car just may have appreciated over the years. Haven't tried to sell it recently but back in or about 2003/2004 I did offer it for sale and had two guys flying out to see it at $140,000.00 as I recall. I made it clear I was not negotiable. One was from Minnesota and one from Florida. I got cold feet and decided not to sell it. The guy from Minnesota was very disappointed as he seemed pretty hot for the car. I think that is what scared me off. I'm pretty confident one of those gents was going to buy it.

I had to sell my Excalibur and my ERA replica for less then what I paid. There was no way I could sell them for more than what I paid for it.

Does anyone here think they can sell their replica ERA, Contemporary, Backdraft, Unique, etc...for more then what they paid? If so let us know. I'm not talking about those buying at wholesale for a quick sale or flip. I'm talking about those who have bought and held for a number of years and enjoyed and decided to sell.

I agree that the asking price does not set the value. Just pointing out an indicator of which the asking price is an indicator. If they start changing hands at those prices or near those prices then you have value. Further, with the current price increase for the car at $160,000.00 putting a completed car at $210,000+ this is likely to drive the value of existing aluminum Shelbys higher. Can't say for sure but it certainly seems logical and reasonable to conclude this.

CSX3170: No not a relative of mine. That sign is a little over the top. Plus he obviously doesn't know much about GT/GT40 history. Ford GT was the cars official name and alway has been. The moniker GT40 was mearly the project code name and was later copyrighted by Thorton who started the Safir group. The moniker GT40 became the popularly known name for the car based on press descriptions. With the iconic status the new Ford GT has attained that moniker has attained a similar luster.

Tcrist: I agree with you and so does SAAC. Only difference is the new Shebys are not deemed part of the original series. They are continuation series cars.

The amazing part is that he had very large crowds all weekend looking at it and believing that it was an original car even though the sign says it is a replica in a very round about way. One fellow I was talking to lived on the North Shore of Lake Tahoe and knew the guy since they were neighbors. He was absolutely sure it was an original GT-40 until I pointed out some significant differences. The other performance quotes were really over the top but most viewers had very little knowledge of the cars and what they are actually capable of. I could not resist asking you since he quotes the registry in his sign. My wife asked him if he bought it in the 1960's and he just walked away without acknowledging the question.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Chas: You are correct. No "last stand". Not trying to convince anyone of anything here. Just pointed out the surprising $20,000.00 price increase on the
Shelby aluminum Cobra rollers to $160,000.00 and usual peanut gallery can't contain themselves and start voicing their "opinions" on the "real" vs. replica issue. Opinions are like a$$holes. Eveyone has one. Fair enough. Fact is the leading authoirty on this issue has definitively spoken via their World Registry. Debate over regardless of personal opinions of the peanut gallery.

I know when I bought my Shelby in 1999 they were selling for $72,000.00 as a roller. Call me a "fool who parted with my money for an aluminum Shelbyl" but seems like my car just may have appreciated over the years. Haven't tried to sell it recently but back in or about 2003/2004 I did offer it for sale and had two guys flying out to see it at $140,000.00 as I recall. I made it clear I was not negotiable. One was from Minnesota and one from Florida. I got cold feet and decided not to sell it. The guy from Minnesota was very disappointed as he seemed pretty hot for the car. I think that is what scared me off. I'm pretty confident one of those gents was going to buy it.

I had to sell my Excalibur and my ERA replica for less then what I paid. There was no way I could sell them for more than what I paid for it.

Does anyone here think they can sell their replica ERA, Contemporary, Backdraft, Unique, etc...for more then what they paid? If so let us know. I'm not talking about those buying at wholesale for a quick sale or flip. I'm talking about those who have bought and held for a number of years and enjoyed and decided to sell.

I agree that the asking price does not set the value. Just pointing out an indicator of which the asking price is an indicator. If they start changing hands at those prices or near those prices then you have value. Further, with the current price increase a Shelby aluminum rolling chasis at $160,000.00 putting a completed car at $210,000+ this is likely to drive the value of existing used and immediatley available aluminum Shelbys higher. Can't say for sure but it certainly seems logical and reasonable to conclude this.

CSX3170: No not a relative of mine. That sign is a little over the top. Plus he obviously doesn't know much about GT/GT40 history. Ford GT was the cars official name and always has been. The moniker GT40 was mearly the project code name and was later copyrighted by Thorton who started the Safir group. The moniker GT40 became the popularly known name for the car based on press descriptions. With the iconic status the new Ford GT has attained that moniker has attained a similar luster. Likewise Safir cannot use the Ford GT moniker which has been copyrighted by Ford.

Tcrist: I agree with you and so does SAAC. Only difference is the new Shebys are not deemed part of the original series. They are continuation series Cobras.

I sold my SPF for more than I bought it for and it has no CSX number???

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

...Only difference is the new Shebys are not deemed part of the original series. They are continuation series Cobras.

Those "in the know," know exactly what they are.
Those who don't...have to keep explaining it.

[REAL 1]

Wow, how prophetic.
Actually, those in the know have a World Registry and read it. Others stick to dogmatic opinion based upon their own bias.
BTW stay on topic Mr. Moderator.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

BTW stay on topic Mr. Moderator.

Absolutely on topic. ..like every one you start.

Isn't this about the season when you get real mad and go away for a long time?

Just curious. No need to reply.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Chas: You are correct. No "last stand". Not trying to convince anyone of anything here. Just pointed out the surprising $20,000.00 price increase on the
Shelby aluminum Cobra rollers to $160,000.00

Evan,

Actually I never underestimate you or the reasons why you post. In this case, let's face it, you were bored and needed a place to burn off some excess energy. That or get yourself ready for a good fight in court by stirring the pot here in your usual way.


Bill S.

[BMK]

Interestingly I had my bare aluminium Kirkham parked next to a real 1966 Cobra and time after time car show enthusiast were heard to say - "that aluminium one is real"

So who are we kidding...

An early CSX numbered car is like stock shares. At some stage they will be worth less and sometimes worth more than you paid.

I have brought new recent stocks at a cheap price. Perhaps like a "Continuation" car they may go up.

In the interim I will just go out and drive my REAL and GENUINE Cobra....

Others lucky or unlucky enough to own genuine Cobras knowing they may possibly hold their price are able to say with enthusiasm - "this is a real Cobra"...

Only they care I guess.

[mrmustang]

Evan, on such a nice day why are you on the computer and not out driving your cobra?

Did you bet someone at your firm you could cause mayhem

[RodKnock]

BTW, I'm kinda curious. I don't watch the market closely enough, but are the 1960's AC Cobras valued any differently than the 1960's Shelby Cobras?