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01-15-2015, 03:49 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: White City,
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Cobra Make, Engine: West Coast, 460 CID
Posts: 2,916
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
Can you imagine business people like David Kirkham, Peter Portante (ERA), Lance Stander (Superformance), the new and/or old managers of SAI running their business in this manner?
Seriously, I would personally be VERY troubled doing any business with Alloycars based upon their poorly managed entry into the alloy Cobra market. This whole series of events across all the Cobra forums would be an excellent case study for student in business school on how NOT to start a new business operation. Holy cow. 
Besides the marketing blunders (e.g., using unauthorized photos, insulting potential customers, lying, etc.), the foundation of the business, the actual product that the business will supply to market, has been poorly R&D'ed (researched and developed). Sad really. |
Shysters and snake oil salesmen may well have been able to get away with marketing blunders in the past, but with ubiquitous access to the Internet, social media and forums such as CC, it's getting far more difficult to get away with that crap.
Open and honest dealings and transparency will do far more to build a business than shenanigans like we've seen - no matter how well done.
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01-15-2015, 04:07 PM
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Senior CC Premier Member
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: SoCal,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: CSX #4xxx with CSX 482; David Kee Toploader
Posts: 3,574
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I am not an engine builder, nor profess to be a car builder (I try), but I am a builder of buildings and have literally built a $250 million project on a hand shake. The lawyers didn't even finish the contract until we were almost finished and then we both agreed to put it in the files and not sign it.
Why is that? Because business is built on trust and reputation. It's all you have and should be treated as such and more important than a credit score, line of credit etc.
Hell, what do I know. 
My 2 cents...
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01-15-2015, 04:45 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Allen,
TX
Cobra Make, Engine: Werk77 289FIA
Posts: 1,296
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cycleguy55
Open and honest dealings and transparency will do far more to build a business than shenanigans like we've seen - no matter how well done.
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That sums up pretty much my last two dozen posts in that matter.
And while we are on the subject alcohol, CHEERS! Nah, no Raki -- Hennessy and a Ashton #8!
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Scratch build 289 FIA see the Scratch builder forum on CC - sold
DRB GT40 MK1 red #49- sold
FF5 Mk4 #7733 302/T5/IRS - dark blue - sold
FF5 MK4 #7812 427/TKO/IRS - Guardsman Blue - sold
FF5 MK4 #8414 501/TKO600/48IDA Ollie the Dragon #91 - sold
FF5 Daytona Coupe 347/TKO/IRS Homage CSX2299 Viking Blue - sold
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01-15-2015, 05:04 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, ERA 289 roadster hybrid, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,776
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I'm digging the P38 hanging on your ceiling. RC or static display?
Bill S.
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Originally Posted by G-Pete
That sums up pretty much my last two dozen posts in that matter.
And while we are on the subject alcohol, CHEERS! Nah, no Raki -- Hennessy and a Ashton #8!
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01-15-2015, 05:43 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Dallas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR track car, SL-C track car
Posts: 1,262
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Originally Posted by mrmustang
I'm digging the P38 hanging on your ceiling. RC or static display?
Bill S.
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That's a little baby plane. You should see the big ones he built. Pete's a man of many talents.
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01-15-2015, 10:52 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Greenwich,
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Any chance it was a disgruntled employee that started this in order to be found out and more negativity added to this company?
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01-15-2015, 11:06 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, ERA 289 roadster hybrid, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,776
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Originally Posted by WhiteBirchFarm
Any chance it was a disgruntled employee that started this in order to be found out and more negativity added to this company?
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No sir, this one is all on Ingo/Tom/Ozzie/Harriet/Jeff, direct from Ingo.
From two people Ingo directly spoke with at the show, his attitude there was just as abrupt when this site was mentioned as his posts were. Just as the overheard comment he made about "Stupid Americans" was heard.
Of course I did get it second hand, but the person I spoke with has no reason to lie about his/her interactions.
I'll leave it at that.
Bill S.
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01-15-2015, 02:22 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
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Well, you guys know the famous quote by one of the great educators of our time, Dean Vernon Werner: "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
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01-15-2015, 02:57 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Las Vegas,
NV
Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
Posts: 5,635
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So has anyone actually ever seen one of his recreation Porsches? I don't mean unsold bodies in a warehouse, but as a completed, painted vehicle registered and stored in someone's garage? Or are they vaporware too?
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01-15-2015, 08:18 PM
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Fresno,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
Posts: 14,448
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For some damn reason, Bill, you're still posting on this thread. Really getting ready to make sure you can sleep in as long as you want since you'd have nothing to check here.
In any event...I left this open for another day so everyone could have a last shot. I see the one person I invited to provide an apology to the members chose not to...speaks volumes.
Jay...I recall our raki snorting sorties well. 
In any event...that's it.
Done.
finis
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