Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Always love the sketch story. The best stuff always has a story. It's like these cars.

The Smiths (FFR) and the beginnings of the London show and the way everyone banded together regardless of what they drove just because their hearts said so.

Davey K. learning Polish and stepping off the business cliff during the post Cold War and building a better tin can.

CS begging for and receiving a V8 and shoving into a classic British sports car.

It's all good.

Yep. That's it in a nutshell

[mdross1]

Okay we finally moved on from the real or replica argument in this thread for a while at least now it's watches and other things. Since I have not worn a watch in 45 yrs have no interest as I'm sure most would not care to hear about my authentic antique 2 cylinder John Deere tractors.
It is amazing how long this has dragged on and still nothing has changed. Some need to own original some do not it seems way too simple.

[Jaydee]

I have a Breitling emergency. Great watch, does everything you want it to. Only paid 70 bucks for it. People are more impressed with how cheap I got it, then thinking, what? you paid how much for an original.Lol.
Even a jeweler couldn't pick it until he changed the battery.
Same with my Cobra. I don't care it's a fake. Why care what a total stranger thinks.
JD

[LMH]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

I have a Breitling emergency. Great watch, does everything you want it to. Only paid 70 bucks for it. People are more impressed with how cheap I got it, then thinking, what? you paid how much for an original.Lol.
Even a jeweler couldn't pick it until he changed the battery.
Same with my Cobra. I don't care it's a fake. Why care what a total stranger thinks.
JD

Have you pulled out the antenna to 'test' it?
Larry

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by mdross1

Okay we finally moved on from the real or replica argument in this thread for a while at least now it's watches and other things. Since I have not worn a watch in 45 yrs have no interest as I'm sure most would not care to hear about my authentic antique 2 cylinder John Deere tractors.
It is amazing how long this has dragged on and still nothing has changed. Some need to own original some do not it seems way too simple.

I'd love to hear about the tractors! We donated all of my grandfather's equipment from the early 1900s to the county farm museum years ago and I wished we would have have kept some of the implements I used growing up, including the plow I used behind our draft horses in the 60s in the vined tomatoes. You learn a lot walking behind a horse's ass all day.

I have a client who has kept 30+ old small tractors (Deeres, Olivers, Fords) running for his tree fruit operation due to their size...has a dedicated shop that keeps them in perfect order and freshly painted and polished.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by mdross1

... I'm sure most would not care to hear about my authentic antique 2 cylinder John Deere tractors.

I'd like to hear more (but in a different topic). I grew up on a farm and learned to drive a tractor when I was 5 or 6 (a Ford N1). I think I was 7 when I disc'd my first corn field.

[trularin]

So this thread seems to have gone into the "everything is a replica".

It is the matrix...here Neo, take this pill.

So, as I read the salutations I note what they say - Very interesting.

Tru

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by trularin

So this thread seems to have gone into the "everything is a replica".
Tru

Yes, everything is replica, except for the Cobras built in the 1960's. That's been my belief since Day 1.

Shelby Cobras built in 1995 and thereafter are "genuine" or "true" replicas, but they're the only ones that can legally be called Shelby Cobras.

[Tim7139]

Well hell, as long as we got to tractors, anybody have any old, I mean old, motorcycles?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yes, everything is replica, except for the Cobras built in the 1960's. That's been my belief since Day 1.

Shelby Cobras built in 1995 and thereafter are "genuine" or "true" replicas, but they're the only ones that can legally be called Shelby Cobras.

The World Registry explains it very clearly and logically. Your "position" is close but not entirely consistent with the Registry.

It is somewhat confusing based on history and current facts and does need to be explained to the unfamiliar or those lacking information but it's easy to clarify and explain.

It's simple to me. It's a genuine Shelby Cobra. All the analysis of how long SAI was out of business, their suppliers etc. replica, kit etc... does not change a thing. Original Shelby? No. No one is pretending it is. Genuine Shelby Cobra? Assatutly. A Continuation series.

And yes Thor, if Harley went out of business and then rose again to make the same bike it would undeniably be a real Harley but not one of the originals manufactured before they folded. Are the new Indians not real Indians? If Patek Phllip started making the original Nautilus model again would it not be a real Patek? Regardless of whether it replicates an original model or is a totally new model it's a real Indian or Patek. Is that not self evident?

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by mdross1

Okay we finally moved on from the real or replica argument in this thread ...

Agree, it appears to have run its' course.
As the SAAC National Director said 2 years ago -

Those "in the know," know exactly what they are.
Those who don't...have to keep explaining it.

Seems we can all finally agree the "red herring" fish bowl just got a little bigger but nothing to get worked up over.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Agree, it appears to have run its' course.
As the SAAC National Director said 2 years ago -

Those "in the know," know exactly what they are.
Those who don't...have to keep explaining it.

Seems we can all finally agree the "red herring" fish bowl just got a little bigger but nothing to get worked up over.

In quiet tribute, let me say it ain't over til it's over. I think of the periodic "discussions" about real vs replica as being like oceanic tides...

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Jamo

In quiet tribute, let me say it ain't over til it's over. I think of the periodic "discussions" about real vs replica as being like oceanic tides...

I'm sure history will repeat itself, it always does. In the meantime, several years ago I was on the hunt for a TAG Heuer Kirium Professional 200M with a beige face (not white). I know they made it ('70s era) because I saw one. Looked hi and lo but never found one.

TimeZone : Sales Corner » FS: TAG Heuer Kirium Professional 200M White Face

Edit: Beige face with that specific hour hand shape.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

I'm sure history will repeat itself, it always does. In the meantime, several years ago I was on the hunt for a TAG Heuer Kirium Professional 200M with a beige face (not white). I know they made it ('70s era) because I saw one. Looked hi and lo but never found one.

TimeZone : Sales Corner » FS: TAG Heuer Kirium Professional 200M White Face

Edit: Beige face with that specific hour hand shape.

Wow...I don't think I've ever seen such a thing. Good looking series TAG did there. I have a 4000 from that time period...smaller than the diver model you're referencing but a nice chrono...my wife wears it now since wimmins watches have gotten bigger as well (she likes looking cool with a chrono at the Monterey Historics...likes to time me on how long I'm in the bathroom).

[REAL 1]

Recommendations as to where to buy a Ulysis Nardin in the Carribean?

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Wow...I don't think I've ever seen such a thing. Good looking series TAG did there. I have a 4000 from that time period...smaller than the diver model you're referencing but a nice chrono...my wife wears it now since wimmins watches have gotten bigger as well (she likes looking cool with a chrono at the Monterey Historics...likes to time me on how long I'm in the bathroom).

As you get older that time is going to get longer and more frequent
Tag also did the 1500 and 2000 series which are very similar, I think what I saw was a very specific year/model/size that had that beige face.

[Jamo]

Nope, never had the pleasure. I'm on Paneristi often...as a lurker most of the time believe it or not...so I see where folks are buying. Shreive treats me well.

I'm not sure which one of the Portugese I would end up with...haven't seen a bad one yet. Likely would be dressed for more formal occasions.

[4pipes]

I have the lowly IWC Pilot xvi. Keeps excellent time and real easy to read for my old attenuated eyesight.

[DanEC]

My God - this thread is like a psychotic episode. How many split personalities can a degenerate thread have? Replicas, watches, tractors - and I only read the first and last pages.

[JoeT]

real & original


not real and not original (CMC version)


current, real? continuation? but not original