Frustrated with superformance

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by hauss

Well they did it again! Found rollers for 47k {2017} now there gone! Someone please tell me what a fair price would be for a 351 stroker like new superformance would be? do not tell me 96k because then I know you are full of S..T{FRUSTRATION CONTINUES}.

Sorry...who is "they"? A dealer, a reseller, etc.?

2017 is gone. I understand your frustration, but the issues you have are not with Superformance...or ERA or Backdraft or whomever, they are with prices that are in the past. In 1967 you could get a new leftover 427 Cobra at most any Shelby dealer for well less than the $7495.00 list price.

"Fair price"...to you one figure, to someone else different. Value is in the eye of the purchaser and each must decide the cost to value ratio. Watch a TV auction to see the ratio pushed hard to the "WTF" end of the equation.

The thread title should not be "Superformance" but rather "X dealer" or reseller. Superformance didn't bait and switch, perhaps a seller did. This is like saying Wal-Mart was out of .99 cent Charmin when you went twelve weeks later to buy some.

And to be prophylactic, this is not a dis to the OP, NYG. This is only the second direct reply I have made to him. I am so ashamed that I live in a barn with goats and chickens and badger people to purchase my "hot-rod, kit-car, POS, non plug-in fossil fuel burning plastic replicas"

Transmission over.

[patrickt]

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...a/2021448.html
SPF for $69k, with sb100. If you flew out there with a satchel full of 100 dollar bills, I bet he'd take $67k.

[hauss]

Originally Posted by patrickt

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...a/2021448.html
SPF for $69k, with sb100. If you flew out there with a satchel full of 100 dollar bills, I bet he'd take $67k.

Sent you a p.m.

[hauss]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Sorry...who is "they"? A dealer, a reseller, etc.?

2017 is gone. I understand your frustration, but the issues you have are not with Superformance...or ERA or Backdraft or whomever, they are with prices that are in the past. In 1967 you could get a new leftover 427 Cobra at most any Shelby dealer for well less than the $7495.00 list price.

"Fair price"...to you one figure, to someone else different. Value is in the eye of the purchaser and each must decide the cost to value ratio. Watch a TV auction to see the ratio pushed hard to the "WTF" end of the equation.

The thread title should not be "Superformance" but rather "X dealer" or reseller. Superformance didn't bait and switch, perhaps a seller did. This is like saying Wal-Mart was out of .99 cent Charmin when you went twelve weeks later to buy some.

And to be prophylactic, this is not a dis to the OP, NYG. This is only the second direct reply I have made to him. I am so ashamed that I live in a barn with goats and chickens and badger people to purchase my "hot-rod, kit-car, POS, non plug-I'm fossil fuel burning plastic replicas"

Transmission over.

first let me say I have been talking to the folks at Hilbank and have no problems with them . Even talked with the CEO . I have spent many hours on the net searching. The add I found said it was from them I called them and they said they had no 2017 models for that price. so yes could have been old add or just spam or what I do not know. FYI. 65k is a lot of money for a car that is a representation of a car.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by hauss

first let me say I have been talking to the folks at Hilbank and have no problems with them . Even talked with the CEO . I have spent many hours on the net searching. The add I found said it was from them I called them and they said they had no 2017 models for that price. so yes could have been old add or just spam or what I do not know. FYI. 65k is a lot of money for a car that is a representation of a car.

typical dealership - bait and switch - they put an ad for 1 car but they pitch sell something else similar and pricier.

[vntgspd]

Originally Posted by hauss

first let me say I have been talking to the folks at Hilbank and have no problems with them . Even talked with the CEO . I have spent many hours on the net searching. The add I found said it was from them I called them and they said they had no 2017 models for that price. so yes could have been old add or just spam or what I do not know. FYI. 65k is a lot of money for a car that is a representation of a car.

If this is your opinion that you are buying into a "representation" then it's no wonder that you are struggling with this. The Superformance, ERA, KMS, and others are "factory built" and hand made by craftsman to varying degrees. They are well engineered, well built cars capable of handling modern traffic on modern roads every day if you wish. They are part art, part thrill, part nostalgia, but all car.

Here's another option that would require less risk but more legwork for you:
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...i/2102356.html

Figure a little negotiation, $500 for an inspection, $2000 for shipping, 8-10 hours of your time over 4-8 weeks for SB100 registration (you can drive it immediately because you will get a paper tag) and you have a blue/white Superformance for well under $50k. Take care of it and it will be worth about the same when you are done with it.

Or, keep reaching out for other opinions. Either way this thread has been entertaining.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by vntgspd

If this is your opinion that you are buying into a "representation" then it's no wonder that you are struggling with this. The Superformance, ERA, KMS, and others are "factory built" and hand made by craftsman to varying degrees. They are well engineered, well built cars capable of handling modern traffic on modern roads every day if you wish. They are part art, part thrill, part nostalgia, but all car.

Here's another option that would require less risk but more legwork for you:
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...i/2102356.html

Figure a little negotiation, $500 for an inspection, $2000 for shipping, 8-10 hours of your time over 4-8 weeks for SB100 registration (you can drive it immediately because you will get a paper tag) and you have a blue/white Superformance for well under $50k. Take care of it and it will be worth about the same when you are done with it.

Or, keep reaching out for other opinions. Either way this thread has been entertaining.

Only 65 posts over 5years?
With gold nuggets like this I feel you're not sharing often enough with us.

If I were in your shoes hauss, this is exactly how I would approach it!
Still leaves you at least $20k for any upgrades or repairs or a down payment on a motorhome.
Everyone wins, even the wife.

Good luck.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by hauss

65k is a lot of money for a car that is a representation of a car.

What would it cost to buy a comparable race car, give it a good paint job and make it street legal, then add Shelby's licensing fee? That's probably getting pretty close to $65K.

You have to pay to play. Don't way to pay? Your decision.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

You have to pay to play. Don't way to pay? Your decision.

Wait a minute... I wrote that on the very first reply to the OP's opening post.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Sorry...who is "they"? .....

And to be prophylactic, this is not a dis to the OP, NYG. This is only the second direct reply I have made to him. I am so ashamed that I live in a barn with goats and chickens and badger people to purchase my "hot-rod, kit-car, POS, non plug-in fossil fuel burning plastic replicas"

Transmission over.

yep, you jus' can't handle rejection, i dont care about your stories or your product. If you look at the start of this thread, you trolled me... again. You couldn't wait to attack me when Mr Hauss passed on your resale SPE.

[Ron61]

Well this thread seems to be headed the way many go. I really don't see where a lot more information can be added as the original question has been answered in about as many ways as possible.

Ron

[hauss]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Well this thread seems to be headed the way many go. I really don't see where a lot more information can be added as the original question has been answered in about as many ways as possible.

Ron

Well then; I guess it is a sin Ron, to ask a direct honest answer, to a bunch of cobra owners.I have tried to read between the lines,get educated,but the lines get blurry sometimes.

[BDR_Boy]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Well this thread seems to be headed the way many go. I really don't see where a lot more information can be added as the original question has been answered in about as many ways as possible.

Ron

Amen.

[twobjshelbys]

Everyone here is dancing on the head of a pin trying to be polite. I don't feel compelled to do so. The only way you're going to find a Superformance Cobra under 50K is if someone dies and a stupid trustee that didn't get an appraisal puts one in a garage sale and you just happen to be there. (Exception granted to one that has a frame in the shape of a toroid) Keep searching. I truly believe that there is a point in the universe where one exists but the universe is quite large and a point is quite small. And if 10K makes a difference in your purchase then you are overextending yourself for a toy.

[hauss]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Everyone here is dancing on the head of a pin trying to be polite. I don't feel compelled to do so. The only way you're going to find a Superformance Cobra under 50K is if someone dies and a stupid trustee that didn't get an appraisal puts one in a garage sale and you just happen to be there. (Exception granted to one that has a frame in the shape of a toroid) Keep searching. I truly believe that there is a point in the universe where one exists but the universe is quite large and a point is quite small. And if 10K makes a difference in your purchase then you are overextending yourself for a toy.

Why Mr. BJ do you feel compelled to blow your hot air, with no real substance to the conversation? If you have nothing to add, shut the hell up! How was that for not being polite. Again I ask what is a fair price on a superformance cobra new.

[DanEC]

They are a representation of a 60s era Cobra - but in many ways a lot of them are better to even considerably improved. The originals used a lot of Lucas based electronics - and we all know what that means. The originals used thinner wall chassis members than newer recreations. Most quality replicas are far superior in chassis stiffness and even suspension geometry. (I hope Cobra#3170 forgives me but we know he has sleeved the original chassis and worked on suspension tuning taking it to the highest level just about possible). The originals had aluminum bodies but it was relatively thin, easily dented aluminum pounded out over wooden bucks and no two bodies were exactly alike, not even from side to side on a single body. Then they were slathered with filler to smooth them out a bit. Engine and powertrain technology is greatly improved over originals. I suppose SC brakes were very good but Street Roadster brakes were probably nothing to write home about compared to modern day counterparts. I have an older 66 Corvette and my ERA easily outrides and out handle it over most surfaces. And it's far superior in tightness and lack of rattles, squeaks and shaking as compared to most open cars from the 50s and 60s. Ever ridden in a 50s era Corvette or a 60s TR-4 on a less than perfect road? I was always afraid they would shake apart before we made it back home. Considering the limited production quantities and the level of performance and quality in many of the turn-key manufactures, it sort of amazes me that they don't cost even more.

[RodKnock]

[twobjshelbys]

I have an idea. Hauss and new you guy should split a cobra.

[hauss]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

I have an idea. Hauss and new you guy should split a cobra.

We have a better idea YOU SHUT UP!

[Alfa02]

That last message, Mr. Hauss, you may regret that. This is not how we act on this site, we are here, for many different thing's but personal attack's are not one of them.