Ford v Ferrari races into theaters on Nov. 15.

[Michael C Henry]

I'd have thought that they may have changed to the Webers later , they kept changing everything trying to get perfection. I thought I saw the FE with dual four Holleys. I've seen so many videos this last week, it might have been a seen from a video. In that time frame it would have been dual fours or Webbers to get 1200 CFM or more. Now a single large four could do it. I didn't see any intake filters on any race engines. Nascar uses filters now and are only going 500 miles in about four hours around the same loop not 24 hours out in the country side.

[snakeeyes]

Originally Posted by Michael C Henry

I'd have thought that they may have changed to the Webers later , they kept changing everything trying to get perfection. I thought I saw the FE with dual four Holleys. I've seen so many videos this last week, it might have been a seen from a video. In that time frame it would have been dual fours or Webbers to get 1200 CFM or more. Now a single large four could do it. I didn't see any intake filters on any race engines. Nascar uses filters now and are only going 500 miles in about four hours around the same loop not 24 hours out in the country side.

The MkII (427-powered) cars went to twin carbs for ‘67. They ran them without filters, like they ran the Weber-powered cars. Wonder how much dirt and sand those engines ingested in a 24-hour race, especially at Florida tracks like Daytona and Sebring.

[snapier]

Just saw the movie, very good, really showed how awful Ford upper brass was and how they didn't think much for Ken Miles...

[snakeeyes]

Originally Posted by snapier

Just saw the movie, very good, really showed how awful Ford upper brass was and how they didn't think much for Ken Miles...

It’s true that Beebe butted heads with Miles after Daytona and Sebring ‘66 because he felt he was pushing the car too hard, but by all accounts that was the extent of it and Beebe was not the villain he’s portrayed as. In fact here’s an article that suggests the opposite: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.inq...outputType=amp

It is true that Henry Ford II was very unhappy with the ‘64 and ‘65 results, but Shelby American wasn’t involved in the 1964 campaign with the GT40 and in fact was brought in afterwards (with not enough time for proper development work for the 1965 Le Mans) to try and right the ship. Shelby did face pushback throughout from Ford, who also had cars campaigned by FAV and Holman-Moody among others. But I’m really not complaining; you can only make a script so complex before you start to lose audience interest and this isn’t a documentary.

[HTM101]

While at SAAC 44 this summer, I met the owner of this car. Although his car wasn't used for any of the filming, he told me his car was used for all of the sound effects for the GT40.

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Originally Posted by HTM101

While at SAAC 44 this summer, I met the owner of this car. Although his car wasn't used for any of the filming, he told me his car was used for all of the sound effects for the P4.

Nice pics! Top shot is a MkIV, bottom is a different car (MkII).

Jim Glickenhaus—who has become well-known for his eponymous, exotic street and race cars—owns the yellow MkIV that raced at Le Mans ‘67. I got a chance to talk to him at Monterey a few years ago and he showed me the dent in the top of the doorsill, made when Bruce McLaren lost the rear bonnet during the race and smashed his helmet into the sill in frustration. Glickenhaus also owns at least two Ferrari P cars of the 3/4-4 variant, among a lot else. He keeps all of the cars road-registered in New York and has been known to drive them in Manhattan traffic. I wonder if the film producers approached him about using any of his Ferraris, although with Fran Hall building the replicas they didn’t really need to, I guess.

[HTM101]

[quote=snakeeyes;1468690]Nice pics! Top shot is a MkIV, bottom is a different car (MkII).

Thanks for the heads up. The bottom car, #3 on the side, is the car I was referring to. I deleted the Mk IV shot and added another of the Mk II.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by HTM101

While at SAAC 44 this summer, I met the owner of this car. Although his car wasn't used for any of the filming, he told me his car was used for all of the sound effects for the P4.

Both cars are Superformance MK IIs. The #3 car is owned by Ted Baird and was used for the MK II sound effects in the film.

[snakeeyes]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Both cars are Superformance MK IIs. The #3 car is owned by Ted Baird and was used for the MK II sound effects in the film.

That is a gorgeous car.

[fastd]

In an interview, Shelby spoke highly of Beebe

[xb-60]

The movie reviewer on morning TV here in Australia - a self-confessed 'non-fan' of car movies - gave Ford v Ferrari a 5 star rating this morning.

Looking forward to seeing it this week

Cheers,
Glen

[Mike I]

Overall, I enjoyed the movie with all of its Hollywood interpretations and imperfections, but I thought they really blew it in the final scenes with Miles going out in the J car. With all they did to portray cars as accurate and period correct, they really cut corners on the J car, which was nothing more than a GT40 with a few glued on pieces to make it look marginally different. I doubt even non-car folks were fooled by that. Oh well.

[snakeeyes]

Originally Posted by Mike I

Overall, I enjoyed the movie with all of its Hollywood interpretations and imperfections, but I thought they really blew it in the final scenes with Miles going out in the J car. With all they did to portray cars as accurate and period correct, they really cut corners on the J car, which was nothing more than a GT40 with a few glued on pieces to make it look marginally different. I doubt even non-car folks were fooled by that. Oh well.

I was a little bummed by that too, given the great pains they went to replicate other cars throughout. Perhaps the budget was blown by then. Shame as the Cobra Experience has the perfect car for the scene:

[spdbrake]

Interview with the stunt coordinator.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/f...ing-interview/

[Jdata]

I guess you need to blame RCR.. they built 28 cars for the movie

[Mike I]

Originally Posted by Jdata

I guess you need to blame RCR.. they built 28 cars for the movie

Why would you suggest RCR is to blame? That's a ridiculous thing to say. If you want to speculate on who's to blame, start with the producer and the studio, they likely didn't want to pony up for one last accurate replica. No one replicates the J car, so it would have been a one-off custom build for about 10 seconds of film. I understand the business decision, but it was disappointing they didn't take it across the finish line.

[Blas]

I don't think the scene was meant to be about the "J" Car. Like was said, for 10 seconds of screen time.... Maybe they tried to just illustrate a "different car" in some way from the cars seen earlier in the movie to the uneducated viewer.

To me that scene really put closure to the movie and immortalized Ken Miles.
Blas

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by Mike I

Why would you suggest RCR is to blame? That's a ridiculous thing to say. If you want to speculate on who's to blame, start with the producer and the studio, they likely didn't want to pony up for one last accurate replica. No one replicates the J car, so it would have been a one-off custom build for about 10 seconds of film. I understand the business decision, but it was disappointing they didn't take it across the finish line.

I spoke with one of the stunt drivers Friday (Tony Hunt). He said that they used a mixture of cars from Superformance and RCR. He ended up buying the Superformance 289 slabside "hero car" (#98, one of three, actually, but the one used for driving in the movie).

I was disappointed at the treatment of Phil Remington. He was a genius who made important contributions, but was made to look like an old dweeb. I know this wasn't the "Phil Remington" movie, but they didn't have to do that.

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by Igofastr

... I was disappointed at the treatment of Phil Remington. He was a genius who made important contributions, but was made to look like an old dweeb. I know this wasn't the "Phil Remington" movie, but they didn't have to do that.

As was I, Ron.

Phil Remington was the genius that made it happen for all the cars, 289, USRRC, 427, Daytona coupe and of course the GT40. The Shelby story would have been very different without Remington. His contributions are right up there with the very best at Shelby American — in a word the man was simply, brilliant!

Perhaps Shelby's greatest strength was recognizing raw talent, seducing it to play in his sand box and then motivating some of the most gifted people the sport has ever seen to work together as the unprecedented machine that was Shelby American.

There is so much more to be told about the Shelby years and certainly enough for many more movies.


Ed

[peterpjb]

amazing movie with two unexpected issues:

1. it’s a Ken Miles movie
2. Enzo Ferrari won, because he appreciated Miles efforts while all the Ford guys didn’t

Ford races for selling cars, Ferrari is selling cars for racing...