Where is CC going and what is the future.

[Richard Hudgins]

Folks,

i am appalled at the lack of attention given to Rick Dormans topic and work posted in "Shop talk" (226 views)

Rick has gone to a lot of trouble to help everyone with their brake sizing and applications.

His analytical methods are top notch and everyone here should be reading his stuff.

Maybe it is not as exciting as what wax to use, or how much horsepower can you get from a 3XX or a 4XX whatever, but it is some of the best information I have ever seen posted and everyone can use it.

The link to the post is here.


Rick's Brake analysis

This type of information is what this club was made of in the past.

There have been threads about where are the old members.

Well, if everyone contributed like the old days, they would probably still be here.

Rick is doing it, and very few folks seem to notice.

To me at least, it is a bit of a bummer.

Go back to the old threads and you will see what made this Club happen.

Real information, about the cars and what it takes to make them work.

It was not about CS or SAI or where the cars were built or who is in bed with who, or what special sales are running this month.

But rather the love of the car and what it takes to make them a part of your life and as perfect as you could.

This was the point of Club Cobra to me.

Maybe I am too much of a "old timer." as well.

[kountzecobra]

Richard, some of us don't have the slightest freakin idea what y'all are talking about in that thread.

[bnewell]

I don't know about you......but my brakes work fine..............

[bnewell]

so sorry...................wrong picture. Sh!t that is the vacation pic, where are those darn brake pics????????????????????

Brian

[Scott S]

I think that thread is over the top of many of us, including me. Maybe thats why it didn't get the attention you thought it deserved?


Many of us live in a town smaller than the member count on CC, some live on the other side of the tracks, some on Snob Nob, some downtown, and some in the new subdivison. All started grade school, went to high school, some droped out, 30% went to college, 50% of those finished their degree. The rest work both blue and white collar jobs. This is how I view CC.

I have been reading threads here for over 5 years now, I am no expert on anything, I have seen Art Colleys wisdom, Meats flamethrowers, your expertise, and Brents patience. I have gotten something from most of it, been pi$$ed a few times, and have gone to a funeral for one of our members that lost his life in a Cobra.

I am a very conservative guy, I hate it when the left uses the term"community", I can't describe CC any other way. Maybe CC just needs a better sewer system sometimes.

Scott S

[decooney]

Originally posted by Richard Hudgins

Folks,

i am appalled at the lack of attention given to Rick Dormans topic and work posted in "Shop talk" (226 views)

How can anyone consider 226 views and 1-2 pages of replies a "lack of attention" in just one days time?

Also, it requests an email to be sent to obtain more information in order for anyone to provide feedback. Lack of replies does not constitute lack of attention.

...gettin a little too serious here now even for me. Time to go surf eBay or something. Bleh.

[RedBarchetta]

I have to agree with the majority here. It is a highly technical thread that discusses more science. I'm not suggesting that science is bad or negative. I read the thread, appreciated the fact that the author went to pains to assemble some emperical data, and that was that.

If the guys that got A's in Physics and Calculus want to geek all over the analysis, let them go ahead. Those are probably the same minds that allow the Wilwoods on my SPF to work as well as they do.

[Turk]

Richard,
Your somewhat scolding of those who either failed to, or were not interested in reading that thread left me wondering if you are trying to say a little bit more than what you actually said...

What do you suggest? Maybe some of the clicks on threads that seem to be of higher interest to members be automatically diverted to that thread for mandatory reading, or better yet, deny access to other areas of the forum unless one has read the technical threads first?

Who reads what thread and how many respond to each thread is usually determined by the level of interest. It is obvious to me and should be to you that the forum is far more diverse and people know to go to the area of their interest.

Why be “appalled”? It just reflects on the habits of those participating.

You are technical man by nature and by profession. It may come as a surprise to you that some are indeed more interested in subjects you are mocking.
"everyone SHOULD be reading this thread" WHY?
Just because you find it interesting, everyone should be reading it?


Trying to take the forum to the "Good Old Days" is wishful thinking on your part.

When there were only 50or so people in here at one time, maybe all that was posted were of interest to those 50. I bet more people read that thread today than would have 5 years ago when there were only 16 people in here.

It is my guess that due to the size of the forum and the size of the membership there are probably far more technical stuff in here now then there ever was.
As for the "old members"...well they probably got OLD, and got tired of the joint. However it is worth noting that, while some of the original dozen or so may have departed, thousands took their place.

What made this club happen is what is happening NOW!. How it got it's start and where it came from is very ancient and interesting history.
This is what it is today.
If Brent did not like the direction it is going he would have kept it the way it was and it wouldn't have evolved into what it did.

I am puzzled with the way you seem to indict and criticize what you think is in here as opposed to what you think ought to be in here.

Your own participation as an Old Timer seems rather limited with 441 post for as long as you claim to have been here.

Not everyone can write as technical as you can. Some are here for reasons other than chassis tuning and steering geometry.

As for the future of the forum, I think it looks rather bright and very promising.
You just have to know where to look.

TURK
One of almost 10,000 members.

[Excaliber]

Thanks for tipping me off to the brake thread Richard, I missed it.

.....I been playing with my new motorcyle a lot lately.

Heck the future looks so bright I gotta wear shades!

Ernie

[Hal Copple]

actually, i am very interested in my SPF's braking, and since i want to continue to run track events, with my Hoosier Slicks, and want to continue to experiment with different brake pads, i am talking with Dennis Olthoff about his full race brake upgrade for my car. I just studied and am keeping the very good article on braking in the current Grass Roots Motorsports magazine.

But this time of year, i have very little time for anything other than work. It took me three weeks just to re-do my front rotors, and i am now trying to find the time to finish my external battery cut-off switch. But i am exceedingly methodical and precise about anything i do with my cars, and i will spend hours doing something in a "pefect" way, instead of doing it in a few minutes in a slightly less precise fashion. So everything i do to my car takes many hours to accomplish to my satisfaction.

Which leaves me very little time for many other things i would like to do, like read a no doubt fine braking article.

I cannot fit everything i want or must do into my day. Like many others, i work long, long hours. So sometimes i have to leave something out, hoping to somehow get to it later.

In essence, i don't relish being criticised for not meeting a CC member's expectations of how i spend my time.

I remain very happy with the frienship and assistance i have in my membership here on CC. I don't know at what time a member is granted the "oldtimer" accolade, but i have been here for right at four years now, and don't intend to leave again.

All the best....

[Mike Simard]

You think this is bad, try posting a technical question to the Superformance owners mail list. There are 50 messages a day about wine, underwear and idle chat. When someone mentions a technical car detail, you can hear the crickets.
Thanks for posting the brake thread link Richard. That stuff is great! BTW, I was actually just out in 35 degree weather doing brake tests on my street.

[mr bruce]

Where are we going?I ask myself the same question.For instance, I offered to show this bunch how to build a Cobra for $10k ,(I would have showed everything, how to lay the glass for the body, how to build a jig for the frame, detaled parts list, and spread sheet for the parts,EVERYTHING!) few hits on the post,and only casual responce. Now if I would have called sumbuddys cobra a piece of ship, it would have created a 100 page monster.See you guys, I'm going into the Cheetah business.

[blykins]

Now, now guys...let's take a step back and look at the forest. Some people are just not interested in every thread. Period. If I posted a topic on something on my Shell Valley car, should every SPF, FFR, Unique, B&B, Kirkham, CSX, Street Beasts owner post on it? I think not...That's why the board is broken down into forums...Not everyone wants to read Shop Talk or Race Talk. I would say the majority of the members on this board just login to see ideas...new cool topics...maybe get a quick reply to something that's bugging them. Why would EVERYONE wanna read a 2 page post on heat transfer between brake pads and rotors? I'm interested just because it's where I'm at with my car right now...trying to decide how big of a master cylinder combo I need....what size calipers...etc.

And as for the $10k Cobra....that may be all fine for someone who hasn't bought one yet and can build a Cobra from scratch...but how many people on here can do that? I sure can't. Plus, if someone already paid $30-100k for a Cobra, why would they wanna ready a post that says they could have one for $10k?

I don't know...I don't expect all of my posts to get 9000 hits...maybe I'm just seeing this from a different light.

Not trying to spam anyone...just expressing my opinion.

[RACER X #99]

Bruce,
You are not dealing with many gear heads here. Most here don't have the knowhow to put a car together. They can blurt out the names of expert car builders that they spend lots of money with. Somehow this makes them knowlegable Cobra guys. Some here are halfassed mechanics( myself included) that do most of own work but I don't think many want to build a complete car.

Now get busy with the Cheetah and we'll see you at the track,

Cranky

[RaceDeck]

I am just getting my "view" credit

[Jamo]

I'm not particularly interested in this thread.

[mr bruce]

Crankmeister, I know what you mean, but I thought folks would like to know how many things are done to build these cars. For instance, how many have ever seen a mold, and the prep work involved to get it ready for the fibreglass lay-up, or the layup itself. Just thought I would interject some adult sized info on what is slowly becoming boring.

[Roscoe]

One man's stimulant is another man's sedative..

Roscoe

[John McMahon]

As Turk states when it was a smaller club, more attention may have been garnered for that topis.

Many here, I feel, will now just write a check to get a complete car done the way they want, i.e. NOT A GEARHEAD.

Others do not care! Me, personally, was one of the original 'dirty dozen' here on CC. I used to moderate, used to participate in a lot of things. No more.

I just write for fun now, most topis have been regurgitated again and again. Why use the Search Engine for answers?

Now I just post to yap with my buds.

[rdorman]

I just don't know what to say! On one hand I am very flatered that a man whose expertese I greatly admire fealt passionate enough to make such a post and on the other hand I understand that for what ever reason some folks here just have no interest in that thread. Kind of like me and 'joke of the day'!

I put the thread out there to be helpful to both the folks in here and to myself. I have seen SOOOOOOOO many 'how big master cylinder should I use' and 'my brakes $uck' threads to know that many are, have or will go through what I am going through. So that is the help others part. For me, it is those who use the spreadsheets feedback that will help me refine the spreadsheet since at this point it is very basic. Issues that the users have with it will make it only more useful. It is really a cyclical relationship. I get intrinsic reward from helping out some folks and we both get a tool that we can use.

The original post did say to send me an email to get the spreadsheet. And some dozen plus so far have. I will put together a group of those who did ask for it and give them updates as major sections are added and improved.

The rest of the thread dealt with a topic that was and was not on topic. It is another section, one of many planned, that will be added to the spread sheet. Much of the input I got from those that responded I will have to do a little research on before I can even begin to utilize towards the desired results. He!! some of the words used in reply to me I had to look up!

Rick