Are we in danger

[albanycobra]

I just want to know who's running McDonald's now their Clown is running our country?

[cameron02]

Surprise Surprise,
A car forum full of people who cant accept that burning fossil fuels is bad for the environment.

If u want to get your car electrics fixed. Do you vist an Auto electrician or a butcher? The butcher may have an opinion and it may sound good but he/she is not the expert. The experts in climate change (qualified climate scientists) say that global warming is real, it is at least partly caused by humans and we need to do something about it. And YES, none of us will like it because we all have to reduce our standard of living. WHY? Because there are too many people on the planet.

As far as meat goes. With current population growth few people will be able to eat meat on a regular basis due to the fact that there will simply not be enough farm land and feed available to support the cattle etc. England already has to import feed for animals.

I like driving my Cobra and I like eating meat but I accept that in the near future I might not be able to either very often. I dont think blaming a particular political party is helpfull. Scientists and Engineers help design our cars to go fast and we love that. Why cant we accept what the Scientists say about climate change? Forget the politics its all about the Science.

I guess I'm asking for it

[Dimis]

While I can accept your position Cam, I can't accept that any amount of tax dollars raised by ie: "carbon tax" is going to stop the earth's tempreture from rising. It's a pure money grab by the government desguised in the form of a politically corect concept of "saving the planet".

Only a moron would think it's anything else.

They tried to bring in the mining tax, but failled, bc the miners were too strong (read $$$), so they figure they'll try to raise funds by inventing another tax... One that has less opposition

Apologies for the rant.

[schipps]

Originally Posted by cameron02

The experts in climate change (qualified climate scientists) say that global warming is real, it is at least partly caused by humans and we need to do something about it.

Interesting comment... however there are loads of real scientists who dispute the opinions of the scientists who believe in the so called global warming.
The science is nowhere near settled, even though the alarmists would have you believe it is 100% fact.

regards
Mick

[cameron02]

Hi Mick,

The loads of scientists you refer to are few in number and 99% of the time are not climate scientists. Hence my reference to Auto electrics and butchers.

It reminds me of when I was a kid and the evidence for smoking being a cause of lung cancer was in. People quoted certain doctors or health experts who said that smoking was fine.

Hi Dimis,
I think you might be a little too synical about the tax as they seem to be giving a lot of it back. Unfortunately this government seems to be incompetant and unable to explain its policy's. All the tax has to do is make Green energy (solar, wind, geo thermal etc) the same price as fossil fuel energy. Given the choice (at the same price) most people will choose green energy (maybe as you say I'm a moron, my wife would agree with you)

We dont have to fix the world. Just our bit of it.

I agree with you about the minning tax. It was a great idea and the government got scared and backed down. Its our resources they are selling and I believe we have a right to charge more if they are making more.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by cameron02

Hi Dimis,
I think you might be a little too synical about the tax as they seem to be giving a lot of it backCameron - I love your trusting nature, but you are being taken for a ride. I have done the numbers and the vast majority (including low income earners) will be worse off. .

Unfortunately this government seems to be incompetant and unable to explain its policy'sYou surely conceed its a pretty simple concept... However, the government is restricted in deliverying its message clearly because of what they aren't willing to tell you!.

All the tax has to do is make Green energy (solar, wind, geo thermal etc) the same price as fossil fuel energy. If this is true then please Ms Prime Minister, please tell me why we are selling our coal to India where they are able to burn the same coal using the same methods as our power stations, yet they are able to trade carbon & CLAIM Carbon CREDITS on the international scene, yet we are being forced by our Government to pay a TAX despite our station burning less coal in exactly the same way?!. (happy to offer citation & reference PM me)

Given the choice (at the same price) most people will choose green energy (maybe as you say I'm a moron, my wife would agree with you) Apologies, you are not a moron, just a gent who has been conned by the propaganda, either because of ignorance or you overly trusting pleasent nature. However, if you continue to belive that the carbon tax will even remotely help save the planet, after you've done any research - then Sir, you would be deserving of the title of moron

We dont have to fix the world. Just our bit of it.More of your heart is in the right place... the government is banking on this sentiment

I agree with you about the minning tax. It was a great idea and the government got scared and backed down. Its our resources they are selling and I believe we have a right to charge more if they are making more.

Cam,

I've done my fair share of analysis on this topic and am not speaking flipently. The carbon tax is a tax! Make no mistake, the word Cabon has been placed in front b/c its the buzz word of our time and it allows the government to fool the local good hearted citizen into reluctantly accepting a tax, as they feel they'll be saving the word!

I'm sorry, there is no other way to describe it other than lipstick on a pig!

I do my bit to save the planet, I ride, run and walk to work, have eco-friendlied our old home, etc... all in the name of assiting the cause. If I thought a TAX would assist I'd accept & pay it, but frankly by my calculations the maths doesn't add up!

Kind regards,

Apologies, this is far too political for a cobra forum