Are we in danger

[cameron02]

Hi Lal Naja,

I agree re population. It seems that climate change may do the culling you speak of.

Some of the dangers they spoke of in the 70's were quite real I understand. I am not an expert on the topic but didnt acid rain kill the great lakes in Canada. Isnt that why they introduced lead free petrol. We also banned CFC's and that seems to have done the job. I dont think anybody offshore uses CFC's to my knowledge. These things can be done if governments refuse to purchase products from countries that do not comply.

I agree about follow the money trail but cant agree where it leads. The BRW richest list a whole bunch of minning executives but I have not seen any Greens. See link
BRW Rich List: Gina Rinehart on top, non-miners a drag | Crikey

[LoBelly]

I dont think the re-release of all that carbon will mean the end of life or mankind.

Just the end of our way of life now.

And some rather sharp adjustments as oil scarcity approaches and becomes acute

Its not like we don't know.



LoBelly

[lal Naja]

Originally Posted by LoBelly

I dont think the re-release of all that carbon will mean the end of life or mankind.

Just the end of our way of life now.

And some rather sharp adjustments as oil scarcity approaches and becomes acute

Its not like we don't know.



LoBelly

Easter Island is a great example of how too many people can really Flub things up. I've spent time there with one of the leading Anthropologists from the University of Chile. And yes, they finally started eating each other to survive. And their Happy science at the time was to build bloody big statues and then when that failed they invented the Bird-Man cult. Watch out humans, you will someday be forced to eat your children too.

After traveling the world in my younger days and visiting far corners of the Earth, yes it has corners and is still flat to some. The first thing I did when returning to civilization was to make sure I would never have offspring, Snip-snip went the conection to future life. That's how much trouble I saw ahead and that was in the 70tees.

[jmimac351]

"Green" is the new "Red". In America, public opinion has taken a turn against buying into the man-made global warming fraud. There is another fraud that will be taken care of Nov '12.

If an idea is better and can sustain itself from an economic standpoint it does not require incentives from the government. Ethanol gets big subsidies here in America because it cannot survive on its own. Yet, it is less efficient, uses more energy to produce, competes with the food supply, and actually pollutes more. "Green" and Ethanol are two things which make people feel better about themselves but actually have far different motives supporting them other than making sense. It's about the money and power and always will be. Nothing new.

[lal Naja]

Originally Posted by cameron02

Hi Lal Naja,

I agree re population. It seems that climate change may do the culling you speak of.

Some of the dangers they spoke of in the 70's were quite real I understand. I am not an expert on the topic but didnt acid rain kill the great lakes in Canada. Isnt that why they introduced lead free petrol. We also banned CFC's and that seems to have done the job. I dont think anybody offshore uses CFC's to my knowledge. These things can be done if governments refuse to purchase products from countries that do not comply.

I agree about follow the money trail but cant agree where it leads. The BRW richest list a whole bunch of minning executives but I have not seen any Greens. See link
BRW Rich List: Gina Rinehart on top, non-miners a drag | Crikey

The subject is far too complicated to have a "yes it is so answer." I had friends that worked for Fermi and Argon labs and funding is a job and a way of life. Without funding you join the 14 million out of work group. People have been studying and researching for 30 years without any real conclusive answers. Yes, nematodes will die if you spill oil on them. I've never been that lucky. Got stuck in having to produce stuff that humans need and had to do it at a profit. "Profit" another dirty word.

As is CFC's. Sadly Chloroflurocarbons are still being used in manufacturing. If these were totally banned the world would stop functioning. Many products using CFC's were redesigned where possible, but it's far from being totally gone. Stop it and 28 million will be looking for work.

The great lakes, I live a few blocks from one, has had some issues but nothing that I know of that is a serious problem. If you know more enlighten me please.

Sulfurdioxide is the main cause of acid rain and if you burn any fossil fuel including your cozy fireplace, you contribute to it. But this is what we humans do. We burn crap. After all, it is deep in our survival DNA. When we tamed fire we were able scare off the beasts that had us for dinner. Then we got to sit around it and keep warm. That was freedom to evolve. Imagine being able to shed the old way of life huddling in fear in the dark and in silence. And with that great opportunity man was able to take time to contemplate reason.

As far as Lead, it too is bad on the brain. Too much of it and you have drain bammage for sure

As for Gore. He's pretty comfortable in his 7million $ home on the ocean. Consuming fossil fuel to keep the lights on and buying carbon credits for forgiveness. What happened to the ocean rising 20' in the next few years?

Just remember! At the top they play with our lives.

Oh, and BTW. If you own a cat or a small dog each has the carbon footpring of a VW beetle. A large dog is equivalent to a SUV. Here in the USA dog owners are responsible for 95 million piles of poop every day and cat owners contribute to 65 million piles of it. Most of this crap is disposed of inappropriately. And at least 50% of these owners claim they are Green.

[HSVREDSLED]

Imagine if we were around a few thousand lifetimes ago and we were heading towards an ice age? What propaganda would the respective govts sprout?

Australia...wake up!!! This is nonsense. ANY SUPPORTER OF A CO2 TAX...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I beg you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What will be the effect on Global emmisions of imposing a Carbon Dioxide tax on Australia?

Please??????? Anybody???????????????? FFS?

[lal Naja]

Originally Posted by HSVREDSLED

Imagine if we were around a few thousand lifetimes ago and we were heading towards an ice age? What propaganda would the respective govts sprout?

Australia...wake up!!! This is nonsense. ANY SUPPORTER OF A CO2 TAX...PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I beg you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What will be the effect on Global emmisions of imposing a Carbon Dioxide tax on Australia?

Please??????? Anybody???????????????? FFS?

And thank you humans for all the extra CO2. It has kept us warmer and most likely thwarted an ice age. We are now further away from the sun than we were thousands of years ago. And continue to drift further every day. Just the physics of that prooves that extra corbon has been good for earth. We have a lot more healthy trees too as a result of that. Without tha carbon perhaps we would now look like Easter Island with not a single tree standing on this green earth.

And imagine how much more fossel fuel we would have to burn keep warm in an ice age. So much that it would be like the begnning of the industrial revolution when we turned the sky black. Then again black sky, black snow & ice the planet will warm up again. See CARBON has been good for us.

[cameron02]

Cant remember who's cartoon it was but it showed a guy at a climate conference saying "but what if we make the world a better place for nothing"

Funny but it does seem to be what some people are saying.

So many people seem to be obsessed with avoiding tax. As if the politicians are putting it in their personal bank accounts. I have not travelled as some of you have but I am told that the countries with the best services and supposedly the nicest places to live also have the highest tax rates ie Norway, Sweeden etc. What am I not seeing?

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by cameron02

So many people seem to be obsessed with avoiding tax. As if the politicians are putting it in their personal bank accounts.

1) I for one am happy to pay tax. The more I pay the better. It means I've earned more that year. The problem here in lies when they try to take a larger percentage from us, without logical reason. This leaves one with less incentive to work and undermines the entire system.

2) They certainly are banking it in their own accounts - you tell me what other job allows such great perks, and then pays such a pension at the end of it? Further, you still receive those perks & an almost endless pension even after you're sacked?! This is rewarding incompetence & mediocrity. When they cut those perks, then perhaps I'll change my tune. But don't insult me and try to sneak in a tax bc it's for my own good, when clearly it's bs.

Pls we are not that moronic, are we?

[cameron02]

Hi Dimis,
In answer to your question "tell me what other job allows such perks." The first ones thet come to mind and indeed dwarf the perks are directorships and executive positions of large companies.

As far as I am aware most Politicians work long hours for not a lot of pay especially when compared to what they can (and many later do) earn working for industry. But yes the perks are pretty good.

Hi OZ Cobra. Thanks for that. I had a read. Looks like it amounts to a bribe to get the poorer countries to do what we want. Not sure if I agree with it or not. Not exactly sure on what they are trying to achieve. One thing I'm pretty sure of. They wont be giving it and not expecting something in return.