my first disgusted spectator - Page 6

Jerry Clayton · #1 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 06:44 AM

Ernie

don't forget that there was Olds and Buick aluminum engines back then

Excaliber · #2 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 07:27 AM

Jerry, Hersch mentioned the Lotus 7 as a possible player back in the day, with the Buick nail head. When was that little 215 Buick alloy block available? Now THAT would have been a great combo! It might have come out to late though, by 1960 or so Shelby's new project was taking shape and under way. It seems to me the 215 V8 wasn't around until '62 or so?

"Buzz kill" works for me, to many replicas on the scene all ready as far as I'm concerned. They have lost some of their exclusivity. In Hawaii, when they were only a handful, the owners group was tight, it was special, unique. Now there are so many replicas there it's almost an "also ran". One guy actually sold his replica Cobra for that reason, just to many on the street. He bought a Coupe (without the GM E-Rod motor).

Excaliber · #3 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 07:48 AM

SAAC-35 organizers have said they will retain the right to NOT let you run the track if in their opinion your "mega motor" puts out more horse power than the original design of your car was intended for. Apparently this is something the insurance companies have been looking at lately. While 500 horse may be acceptable, perhaps 800 is not? I don't know where or how they would draw the line. Maybe it's like porn, you just know it when you see it.

rustyBob · #4 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 09:43 AM

the SAAC-35 organizers might as well shut the gates and go home i bet there isnt one Cobra out there thats anywhere close to the "original horsepower rateing" of any Cobra produced......are they going to dyno every Cobra that shows up ?????
thats the whole fun of raceing......you always lie about how much horsepower you have.
my 390 has 10,000 horsepower......on pump gas of cource....
ooops i guess that means i cant run at SAAC-35......BOOO HOOOO.........

IndyCobra · #5 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:09 AM

Sometimes, it's hard to spot the difference between the guy who insulted the car of the member who started this thread, and the "expert" members of this forum!

I guess I'll just have to enjoy my inaccurate replica without the approval of the forum because I have a square steel frame, fiberglass body, 94" wheelbase, dual roll bar, 17" wheels, low-profile tires, not painted Blue with a White stripe, SB Ford engine, no puke tank, no turkey pan, custom seats, leather interior, radio, non-standard gauges in non-standard locations, non-standard switches, non-standard battery, cup holders, no oil leaks, not found on side of the road dead, etc.......

RodKnock · #6 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyCobra

cup holders

Cup holders in a Cobra? Well, that is just plain wrong.

All I know is, these SAAC officials better be inspecting engine compartments for any BBC's or SBC's in all cars. No admittance!

Maybe we can have the AZ Cobra Club at the gate pull some of their guns on these Chevy people just in case there's trouble.

(Just so that there's no misunderstanding, I'm kidding around).

dcdoug · #7 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock

Cup holders in a Cobra? Well, that is just plain wrong.

I don't know. I have a warming drawer in my cobra. Some would call that excessive. I call it my glovebox.

RodKnock · #8 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dcdoug

I don't know. I have a warming drawer in my cobra. Some would call that excessive. I call it my glovebox.

Oh come on now. Glove box? That is just plain wrong. What's next? Portable BBQ in the 12V outlet?

Excaliber · #9 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 09:57 AM

I think the SAAC officials will be more than fair and not looking to oust anyone. They rightfully have the right to deny entry to uncompleted cars, cars that are obviously unsafe and hopefully cars with GM motors (OK, just kidding on that last part

). If "we" don't police ourselves at these kind of gatherings someone else will step in. All it's gonna take is for someone to have a serious incident on the track and it may change things forever. Like insurance requirements for a particular group being so high it effectively kills a gathering of the clan.

Ron61 · #10 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

I think the SAAC officials will be more than fair and not looking to oust anyone. They rightfully have the right to deny entry to uncompleted cars, cars that are obviously unsafe and hopefully cars with GM motors (OK, just kidding on that last part

). If "we" don't police ourselves at these kind of gatherings someone else will step in. All it's gonna take is for someone to have a serious incident on the track and it may change things forever. Like insurance requirements for a particular group being so high it effectively kills a gathering of the clan.

That statement pretty well sums up everything. A few years ago one of the members nearly got killed at Thunder Hill on turn 9 I believe it is. They started tightening some of the rules after that. He had no experience and went into an experienced group and was trying to run with them. The turn is at the top of a hill where all you see is the sky and just as you crest the top, the track turns and he was going way to fast and went off into the desert completely destroying the car. They got him to Sacramento in time to save his life but I think he was going to be limping from then on. And when I was talking to one of the track officials, she said the insurance was really starting to look closely at everything.

Ron

rustyBob · #11 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:12 AM

I would think that the "loose nut "behind the wheel would have more of an impact on their decision as to who gets to run and who dosent.....in most cases its not the car but the driver that has the problem.....

Excaliber · #12 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:15 AM

Here's the difference. While I or "we" may not agree with your personal choice of options for your replica, I and hopefully "we" won't be all in your face about it at a public cruise in event.

Now, as friends or members of a hobby group outside of a public venue, can we talk? Are we free to express our opinion or we will be written off as radicals?

I like some options, others I don't care for. I'm not afraid to state my opinion, you can take it or leave it. I'll try to do it gently, but sometimes the truth hurts and theres not a lot you can do about it. But I won't do that at a local cruise in or car show or gathering of the clan, there is a time and place for a discussion such as this.

IndyCobra · #13 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

Here's the difference. While I or "we" may not agree with your personal choice of options for your replica, I and hopefully "we" won't be all in your face about it at a public cruise in event.

Point taken and a good one.

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

Now, as friends or members of a hobby group outside of a public venue, can we talk? Are we free to express our opinion or we will be written off as radicals?

Sure, but do "we" have to denegrate other builder/owners in the process? Do 'we" not have a responsibility to encourage and support those who share our same passion? It sure seems that there is a very thin line with many of the heavy posters on this site that if your car doesn't fit a specific definition, then we're not "worthy" of calling ourselves a cobra. That's what seems unpleasant to me.

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

I like some options, others I don't care for. I'm not afraid to state my opinion, you can take it or leave it. I'll try to do it gently, but sometimes the truth hurts and theres not a lot you can do about it. But I won't do that at a local cruise in or car show or gathering of the clan, there is a time and place for a discussion such as this.

I feel the same as you. Although I have not been a member of the forum as long as others, I am not afraid to speak out regarding what I see and hear. Trust me that I don't lose sleep over whether anyone thinks my car is accurate, a 'replica', it isn't "real", etc. I built it to meet my needs and I've never tried to pass it off as a true copy and could care less about the opinions of others. My only suggestion, and this wasn't meant to be directed solely at you, is that many newcomers to this forum are turned off by a few of the zealots.

I've been through the "Is it real or is it a continuation or is it a replica" threads as well as the "color" threads, the FE threads, etc. Different opinions are fine and we shouldn't all agree, but when this is expressed in a manner that causes others to disengage from the discussion, then we hurt the hobby much more than we help it. I came to this forum looking for help and a common appreciation for the hobby.

I appreciate your willingness to respond and your point about the proper time and place is spot on and I missed that. Thank you.

patrickt · #14 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyCobra

Sure, but do "we" have to denegrate other builder/owners in the process? Do 'we" not have a responsibility to encourage and support those who share our same passion? It sure seems that there is a very thin line with many of the heavy posters on this site that if your car doesn't fit a specific definition, then we're not "worthy" of calling ourselves a cobra. That's what seems unpleasant to me.

I couldn't agree more. That rat RodKnock is always busting my chops over my two roll bars. I even removed them and that wasn't good enough.

I would much rather him encourage and support me instead. In fact, if he would pay my kids' tuition, that would make it all better.

rustyBob · #15 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:39 AM

opinions are like turds.....everyone is different.....like i said before i can appreciate all the time and work that goes into someones project.....it may not be my thing but it is to someone..........

Excaliber · #16 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 10:53 AM

You know,us guys that are passionate about the details and specifications of the original Cobras get slammed a lot as well as those who could care less.

In fact, I've seen the trend move more and more AWAY from original specs are "cool" to "modern" is the way to go. I don't want to apologize for my side oiler, with original spec heads and intake (date coded mind you). Or my flat tappet cam when all the lastest rage is a hydraulic roller and we hear about how great that is to the point where I'm tired of hearing it!!!

I prefer a solid lifter, I like adjusting my own valves, I don't want a hydraulic cam, of any kind. When I was growing up there was only one group of people who ran a hydraulic cam in their hot rod, "whimps". OK, so this is new age, so are metro sexuals, if thats your thing, fine. It aint my cup of tea, so don't denigrate MY choices that lean to originality, which is still a very worthy goal and should be applauded by all within the hobby. Without those who stand up for the "old school values" we will loose sight of the foundation of this hobby.

IndyCobra · #17 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

OK, so this is new age, so are metro sexuals, if thats your thing, fine.

Now you've REALLY hurt my feelings.

Excaliber · #18 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 11:04 AM

This doesn't mean I can't appreciate a modern NASCAR dry sumped 351 killer motor with modern suspension in a modern replica. Or any other number of modern features, especially as it concerns safety related items (like hiddeus dual roll bars, Pat).

All though, that is marginally better than wide single or worse yet a roll cage. I see the point, is it OK if I don't care for the look?

I'm coming along slowly, I did after all, bite the bullet and put a 5 speed trans in. I had to shower three times to get the stink off, but I did it....

Excaliber · #19 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 11:12 AM

,,,I put in a cup holder, dam, I'm loosing it man, I'm WAY off the deep end now.

RodKnock · #20 (**permalink**) 05-25-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

,,,I put in a cup holder, dam, I'm loosing it man, I'm WAY off the deep end now.

A 5-speed AND a cup holder? Ernie, Ernie, Ernie. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

When are you planning to dump that cast iron block? Then you will have completely transformed to the Dark Side (cue Imperial March).