Researching any info re: Paul Cunningham, Competition Cobra privateer

[peterpjb]

and the court didn’t care that the watermark was missing?

[1985 CCX]

Courts and lawyers in the these cases like to perpetuate the argument as it means more $$ for them. There is no reason for debating legal counsels to back down as then the party is over and the $$ stops flowing towards them.....

You get this point if you ever had taken part in a divorce...

Yup, legal matters bring me to question reality....

[CompClassics]

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[ALF]

What did they use in 63 at the DMV typewriter, computer printer or both?

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ALF

What did they use in 63 at the DMV typewriter, computer printer or both?

Looks like a typewriter to me

[ALF]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Looks like a typewriter to me

= typewriter was used mostly AND the watermark was readable..

Sorry for my stupid question (as I see it from the non US/CA citizen view):
But does DMV California not have any history information available?
- VIN CSX2049
or
- License Number JJB499

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ALF

But does DMV California not have any history information available?
- VIN CSX2049
or
- License Number JJB499

Sure, if you want to hand sort by date with over 1,000,000,000 records in their archives in some dusty, dark warehouse.

Those same records may have been purged over the years, as most states do after 15-20 years.


Bill S.

[ALF]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Sure, if you want to hand sort by date with over 1,000,000,000 records in their archives in some dusty, dark warehouse.

Those same records may have been purged over the years, as most states do after 15-20 years.

Bill S.

Did you ever try it?
I assume NO.

I did it:

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Looks like a typewriter to me

Sorry Bill, but I agree with Tony that the non-Hasselrig registrations look like they were printed from a mainframe computer printer that needs maintenance.

Back in the 1980s, I did some mainframe programming and printed on pre-printed forms. The mainframe printer technology of the 1980s (which predated laser printers with all kinds of fonts) was most likely the same as the 1960s. One of the places I worked at had some nice old ladies working with punched cards. So we had some old technology at the time for the 1980s.

I kept an antique tool of the trade, a forms ruler:





We would use a forms ruler to figure out character positioning on pre-printed forms.

In your Jim Morrison registration, those zeros and ones consistently dropping below the other characters looks like an out of adjustment mainframe printer. A typewriter would not misalign characters veritcally like that.

Mainframe printers did not have "serifs". If you look at the Hasselrig registration, it has "serifs" and ones & zeroes are lining up vertically, like you would expect a typewriter to do.

I say:
- Hasselrig registration is typewriter
- other registrations are mainframe computer printer

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Sorry Bill, but I agree with Tony that the non-Hasselrig registrations look like they were printed from a mainframe computer printer that needs maintenance.

Back in the 1980s, I did some mainframe programming and printed on pre-printed forms. The mainframe printer technology of the 1980s (which predated laser printers with all kinds of fonts) was most likely the same as the 1960s. One of the places I worked at had some nice old ladies working with punched cards. So we had some old technology at the time for the 1980s.

I kept an antique tool of the trade, a forms ruler:





We would use a forms ruler to figure out character positioning on pre-printed forms.

In your Jim Morrison registration, those zeros and ones consistently dropping below the other characters looks like an out of adjustment mainframe printer. A typewriter would not misalign characters veritcally like that.

Mainframe printers did not have "serifs". If you look at the Hasselrig registration, it has "serifs" and ones & zeroes are lining up vertically, like you would expect a typewriter to do.

I say:
- Hasselrig registration is typewriter
- other registrations are mainframe computer printer

The Morris card is obviously line printer stock. As is the other. That kind of card stock would be pre-printed forms. Typed forms would have been soft stock with multiple copies (either real carbon paper or later the self-duplicating).

Ha! I have two old forms rulers. One is plastic and the other metal.

The college I worked at upgraded the printer on our IBM 1130 from the 1132 which was a dog to a 1403 with our federal grant. The IBM channel adapter which also gave us high perofrmance disc drives, cost as much as the 1130 CPU box.

One student found a way to spew paper from the printer in the first few days we had it. In FORTRAN the WRITE (PRINT) statement always reserved the first character as a line control. "1" was "top of form", " " (space) was single line, I think "0" was double space, etc. Well, he left off the leading character and when he printed a big number (using "I4" as an integer format control - Integer, 4 characters) the numbers below 1000 caused it to see a space and single spaced. When he hit "1" it jumped to the top of the page. When he hit "2" the printer looked for a punch in the "2" channel on the page tape and just kept slewing paper until it ran out. There was paper flying 4 or 5 feet out the back of the printer across the room. Fortunately it wasn't that much paper in the box . After that used a format tape that had a punch in each channel...

In FORTRAN the "+" carriage control was "no space", ie, overprint on the same line. Some people figured out that you could get gray scale by overprinting certain combinations. We had a card deck that would print a pretty decent rendition of the Mona Lisa on the 1403 (but with a new ribbon).

Printers of the day had 120 or 132 print positions and used fan-fold 11" paper with 66 lines (typically the format tape was set to use only 60 with channel 1 being the top of the page and another (12?) being the marker for page end of page with 60 lines used. The printer driver would send end-of-page and automatically skip to top. Some programming languages (like RPG and COBOL) had the ability to detect the end-of-page channel and would automatically skip to the top and print the "header lines".

Another fun fact of the 1403 was that the carriage was hydraulically driven. So once a year or so our IBM service rep would show up and don his his coveralls (normally he wore a gray suit with pencil thin tie, they all did) and literally change the oil on the printer.

You know that during the Pandemic COBOL programmers were highly sought after. Many east-coast states unemployment systems were mainframe COBOL and were basically running in "benign neglect" mode. Old-time COBOL programmers were solicited from retirement to update them.

[1ntCobra]

Also, if you look at Hasselrig registration and think that looks like there is some vertical misalignment on characters there, that is not really misalignment. That is just the way the "serifs" are on the characters. For example, the 4's in "4640" and "2049" and "8041", the typewriter "font" puts the horizontal line in the 4 even with the bottom of the other numbers, but has a "serif" dropping below that.

[Nedsel]

Returning to the subject of the original thread...

It's interesting to play guessing games with the DMV paperwork. But why would Lanse Hasselrig want to obtain a registration for 2049? It was wrecked and undriveable, so why pay for license plates? The paper shown says it's a registration, but it also says "Vehicle not currently registered." Hence it may be a change of ownership document, as it lists both the registered owner (Haselrig) as well as the lienholder (Abiden). Given the indicated fees paid on the document, just $2, it appears to me to be a simple change of registered ownership with the state, which might explain why it looks different from a typical registration document.

Meanwhile, with the assistance of some friends with sharp computer skills, we have uncovered some new details about the early life of 2049. Here is a synopsis of the brief article from the Los Angeles Evening Citizen News from April 19, 1963:

"Private car entered in Pomona race - Can a guy take his private car off the street and race against the factory-built jobs? Al Abidin, 22-year-old Riverside enthusiast, is going to find out at the Pomona road races tomorrow and Sunday. He astonished race officials this week by entering his Shelby AC Cobra in the two-day meet and getting Ron Bucknum, West Coast driver of the year last season, to handle it for him."

As it turned out, Bucknum was already signed to drive "Ol Yaller III" so Abiden hired Ted Roberts to drive instead. And a photo has been located through vintage sports car photographer Allen Kuhn of CSX 2049 at the Pomona races in April, as #105, just as the race results in the Registry suggest. It's interesting to note that the car is still on wire wheels with stock flares, and shows some damage to the right rear wheel opening:

[Nedsel]

Following up on the April Pomona races, photographer Allen Kuhn also has a shot of 2049, now with modified rear flares, running at the July Pomona races with early "kidney-bean" Halibrand wheels. It is again Ted Roberts driving, as #25a:

[USC_COWBOY]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Following up on the April Pomona races, photographer Allen Kuhn also has a shot of 2049, now with modified rear flares, running at the July Pomona races with early "kidney-bean" Halibrand wheels. It is again Ted Roberts driving, as #25a:

Looking at the two photos, I don't see any difference in the rear wheel well flares. What am I not getting?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by USC_COWBOY

Looking at the two photos, I don't see any difference in the rear wheel well flares. What am I not getting?

I thought the same thing.

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by USC_COWBOY

Looking at the two photos, I don't see any difference in the rear wheel well flares. What am I not getting?

In the first photo, the rear flare is the stock, flat flare that has been pulled out to prevent rubbing on the tires. It didn't work, as you can see damaged paint and a dent. In the second photo, with the alloy wheels, the flare has been rounded and now sits far enough out to prevent contact between the tires and the sheet metal. The front flares are unchanged.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

In the first photo, the rear flare is the stock, flat flare that has been pulled out to prevent rubbing on the tires. It didn't work, as you can see damaged paint and a dent. In the second photo, with the alloy wheels, the flare has been rounded and now sits far enough out to prevent contact between the tires and the sheet metal. The front flares are unchanged.

Were the alloy rims the factory "kidney bean" style, or ???

Bill S.

[CompClassics]

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[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

Taken directly from court documents, and we know this is absolutely NOT TRUE....

To John at Comp Classics: We are aware that you have a beef with the current ownership of 2049. But this thread deals with the early ownership, specifically relating to Paul Cunningham as a hired driver or possible owner. Maybe you could start up the new thread dealing with why you believe the CA ownership of CSX 2049 should be reviewed?

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

To John at Comp Classics: We are aware that you have a beef with the current ownership of 2049. But this thread deals with the early ownership, specifically relating to Paul Cunningham as a hired driver or possible owner. Maybe you could start up the new thread dealing with why you believe the CA ownership of CSX 2049 should be reviewed?

Michael seems to have multiple agendas for this thread, one of which seems to agree with John here. I think Michael and John would both like to say that CSX 2049 effective no longer exists except for a title. And, however unlikely the possibility, Michael seems to think that the Hasselrig title may have been created from forged paperwork.

So I think John's comments seem relevant to this messy thread. After all the only point I see with Michael wanting to see the court papers is discredit whatever remaining parts that Hasselrig claims to have been from CSX 2049 or to discredit the title. I don't think the court documents can show that Paul owned the car.