Tired and frustrated with the glycol in oil leak..

[Excaliber]

Bxx1, "freon" (a generic term that covers a lot of different manufacturers and gases, like you might use the term "coke" or "kleenex" for instance) displaces oxygen in your lungs. Once you breath it in it's really really hard to get it out, so you suffocate, or die in your sleep as the case may be... The air mattress leaked freon overnight, displacing the oxygen in the room and the guys lungs. I guess similiar results could be had by filling your air mattress from a hose hooked to the exhaust pipe of your car? Yo, Darwin rules!

Rumor has it, I've never personally confirmed it, that freon when exposed to a flame, creates very deadly phosgene gas. So, when that VW was on fire on the side of the road and I didn't have an extinguisher handy, I used a 30 lb cylinder of freon R-12 I had with me. Turned the bottle upside down, shot the fire with liquid freon, snuffed it out in a heart beat (no oxygen you see) and then ran like hell from the monster "phosgene gas" cloud I'm afraid I might have created...

Same principle with Halon Extinguishers, the gas will STILL suffocate you (and put out the fire) but apparently doesn't react badly to a fire to create a deadly gas.

[Bxx1]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Bxx1, "freon" (a generic term that covers a lot of different manufacturers and gases, like you might use the term "coke" or "kleenex" for instance) displaces oxygen in your lungs. Once you breath it in it's really really hard to get it out, so you suffocate, or die in your sleep as the case may be... The air mattress leaked freon overnight, displacing the oxygen in the room and the guys lungs. I guess similiar results could be had by filling your air mattress from a hose hooked to the exhaust pipe of your car? Yo, Darwin rules!

Rumor has it, I've never personally confirmed it, that freon when exposed to a flame, creates very deadly phosgene gas. So, when that VW was on fire on the side of the road and I didn't have an extinguisher handy, I used a 30 lb cylinder of freon R-12 I had with me. Turned the bottle upside down, shot the fire with liquid freon, snuffed it out in a heart beat (no oxygen you see) and then ran like hell from the monster "phosgene gas" cloud I'm afraid I might have created...

Same principle with Halon Extinguishers, the gas will STILL suffocate you (and put out the fire) but apparently doesn't react badly to a fire to create a deadly gas.

Thanks for the explaination...

[Excaliber]

Hmmmm, I never heard of this water less cooler compound. I'll do some research, sounds interesting. But I'm pretty much a straight water and Water Wetter kind of guy.

I HAVE noticed my cooling capacity is better with straight water than an antifreeze mix, say 50/50. There is no question in my mind there, straight water out performs any antifreeze mix (and it's track friendly if you loose some coolant on the race track). I really don't like the idea of running with folks on the track that use an antifreeze mix, I don't need to be slipping and sliding in their spill!

[undy]

Pure water having a heat rejection 1.0 places pure antifreeze at a .80 and the Evans stuff between a 0.75 and 0.70. This is all from memory so the numbers for antifreeze and the Evans coolant may be a tad different. I've heard some internet horror stories about the Evans stuff.

I'm with you, Chas and Ernie, sort of a water, 30% glycol and Water Wetter kinda guy.

[Bxx1]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Hmmmm, I never heard of this water less cooler compound. I'll do some research, sounds interesting. But I'm pretty much a straight water and Water Wetter kind of guy.

I HAVE noticed my cooling capacity is better with straight water than an antifreeze mix, say 50/50. There is no question in my mind there, straight water out performs any antifreeze mix (and it's track friendly if you loose some coolant on the race track). I really don't like the idea of running with folks on the track that use an antifreeze mix, I don't need to be slipping and sliding in their spill!

I know that water has superior heat transfer ability than anti-freeze coolants. I just flushed my water and 1 bottle of water wetter for a 50% solution of green anti-freeze for the anti-corrosive ability. Car runs a bit hotter (now in the normal temp range). I just didnt trust that small bottle of water wetter to provide that kind of metal protection for my engine/radiator. I understand that for track work anti-freeze is prohibited.

[Excaliber]

OK, I'm in!!! Just ordered 5 gallons of Evans coolant. I also plan to change my T-Stat to a low pressure one. Lower pressure will help the various fittings and hoses, less likely to leak. This stuff looks good, I'm sold.

Why 5 gallons? I THINK my ERA holds 4 and then an extra "just because" I tend to spill stuff.

[undy]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

OK, I'm in!!! Just ordered 5 gallons of Evans coolant. I also plan to change my T-Stat to a low pressure one. Lower pressure will help the various fittings and hoses, less likely to leak. This stuff looks good, I'm sold.

Why 5 gallons? I THINK my ERA holds 4 and then an extra "just because" I tend to spill stuff.

T-stat or Expansion tank/radiator cap?

Make sure that there's no, zero, nada anitfreeze left in your system prior to adding the Evans. They can't be mixed. Keep us posted with the outcome.

[vector1]

i use the evans in my ford diesel truck with a 210 deg thermostat, and used it in my aluminum engine i built. have seen no problems. the aluminum engine did get pretty warm at gateway, over 210 deg, but i wasn't running a lot of compression either.

the stuff does absorb water, which makes it less effective, i've read anyway.

in the case of the truck, i can leave the radiator cap off and the heat will boil the water off, i can see the steam. but you don't want any water in the system if you change over, i used it from the start in the aluminum engine so didn't have to mess with that end of the deal.

the stuff is slick also, and some tracks won't let you use it, and you definitely wouldn't want to experience a bad leak on track. but, you can run unpressurized, so the chance of blowing a gasket or hose is minimal.

[Excaliber]

Did I say T-Stat? Sheessshh, the ravages of age, of course I meant pressure cap, doh,,,

Interesting comment about some tracks not likeing it, being slick and all. Doggone it, the writeups and reviews I read talked so much about it being a "race proven" technology, they never bothered to mention the down side of spilling some on the track. I'm running straight water and Water Wetter, thats a good point about getting as much water out of the system as possible before making the change over.

[Z-linkCobra]

I read all the info on the web page at Evans....Im not sold on the stuff. For me there were way to many "Possible" advantages if you know what I mean. I dont care what you run for coolant...nothing is going to increase compression of your motor...lol...snake oil I tell ya, snake oil...lol.

I dont think its a total sham...just not convinced.

[Excaliber]

I may have been the only one to correctly identify Undy's problem.

Uh, since, apparently, Undy's problem has now been identified, could someone condense the cause of this milkshake problem one more time for me? Some how, I think I missed the "correctly identified problem" here...

Was it a crack? Head gasket? Not using Evans cooling? Porous intake? Or, is the jury still out on the cause?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Uh, since, apparently, Undy's problem has now been identified, could someone condense the cause of this milkshake problem one more time for me? Some how, I think I missed the "correctly identified problem" here...

You missed it. It turned out that the kid next door was sneaking over every few days and pouring a cup of water in to his valve cover.

[ERA Chas]

...And did GM's investment in Evans lead to every GM vehicle coming with a radiator full of it? Seems like they passed on it for production use. They're content to have all those steam pockets, corroded blocks, heads and rads remain in all their stuff. They should have invested in anode makers then...GM also invested heavily in E85 to the betterment of farmers and detriment of users with worse mileage. Also Saturn and a few hundred other projects best left deceased now.

No I don't think you're a dumbazz. I think you mean well and you believe you have found a better way and want to 'help' people. But as Ernie said, what is your solution for Undy? He (and most of the rest of us) doesn't need coolant help.

[undy]

Originally Posted by patrickt

You missed it. It turned out that the kid next door was sneaking over every few days and pouring a cup of water in to his valve cover.

...or the tears rolling off my cheeks, into the valve cover breathers when I finally tallied up how much I've spent and how much this turd is worth..

One kudo for Ronbo though... With the zero coolant pressure of the Evans stuff it probably would cure my oil pollution problem... or maybe not. Sooooo... it does have some validity here. (group hug...everyone???)

Pat, ya sure it was water ... and he was pouring it??? I wuz wonderin' why the glycol tasted a bit salty

[scottj]

There is a manufacturer of piston aircraft engines that was recommending Evan's. It was known in the industry that 2 models of their engines have cooling capacity issues. They required that Evans be used in applications where CHT and coolant exit temp exceded 248 deg. F. It was a "bandaid" fix to prevent boil-over and crashing. The FAA, as well as most country's agencys, have since issued Airworthiness Directives prohibiting the use of Evans due to the liquid's flammable nature.
Note: I have no personal experience with Evans... I just thought that was interesting...

[Excaliber]

As expensive as this stuff is it's not surprising an auto manufacturer would NOT use it for their vehicles, except in extreme cases. Like a high horse power application. Just to darn expensive to justify the cost for typical use. Me? Heck I to research this kind of stuff, I'm looking forward to trying it out. The biggest plus I see is the zero to low pressure aspect on the cooling system.

[RodKnock]

Has anyone recommended "Bars Leak"?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Has anyone recommended "Bars Leak"?

Uhhh, perhaps you should go take a leak at your favorite bar....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Uhhh, perhaps you should go take a leak at your favorite bar....

Sorry, but the water is too cold and deep too.

[Excaliber]

Eh eh, told you it was the dollars. Man that stuff is EXPENSIVE!!! Heckuva price to pay to see how it works.

...oh well, cheaper than buying a Kirkham to see how that works.