How do you answer, "Is it real?"

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by ERA 626

A Shelby cobra is in FACT a Shelby cobra.. any one who disagrees has a numb skull. are the continuation original 60's cars? no.

Just a friendly poke as I was reviewing the Carroll Shelby history for a friend writing an article for a newspaper and seemed to get a little off track when I stumbled across the following:

CSL (Carroll Shelby Licensing) officially shows the CSX6000 series as "CSX6000-series continuation of the CSX4000 series".

So while you do own a car licensed by CSL, you actually own a continuation series of a continuation series cobra replica, produced under license by Superformance Inc, and marketed by CSL for Shelby American as a CSX6000 series "component car" .

All friendly busting of chops aside, you do have a beautiful car on your hands. May you get as much enjoyment out of it that you so desire.

Sincerely,

Bill S.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yep, a CSX 4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 is a good old replica. No disrespect taken at all.

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

Perhaps, but they are not sold as turn key cars, but specifically labeled "component vehicles" by SAI/CSL in their federal documents.

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

well said amazing how many people dont understand... 99.9% of them are people who dont own CSX cars, nothing wrong with the handful of top shelf cars, in fact I see a Kirkham in my future. Just saying.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

how should they are replicas when produced by the original maker SAI?
there is no evidence of that statement at all

all CSX 1000/4000/6000/7000/8000/9000 are real Shelby Cobras

not only real Shelbys but also real Cobras because SAI has the rights on the name

nobody claims they are CSX 2000 or CSX 3000 from the sixties

The "original maker" no longer really exists. The Shelby company has been sold at least a couple times and then went public. If Shelby retains any ownership, then it's a minority interest and diluted at best.

They're replicas and it's expressely stated as such in the 2008 World Registry. That's evidence. And the leading expert of the original and only real Cobras stated their replicas.

[twobjshelbys]

Here we go again. The careful parsing of the English Language in this respect has been discussed at length in the other topics referenced above. I agree with you by the way.

[mrmustang]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPO8PqHGWFU

[Alfa02]

Still the best one I've heard 'Is it real? Then you see it too' Cheers TommyRot.

[RB60]

Another question I often hear is "what year is it?"

I tell them it's a 1965 Shelby Cobra replica built in 2002.

[t walgamuth]

Originally Posted by RB60

Another question I often hear is "what year is it?"

I tell them it's a 1965 Shelby Cobra replica built in 2002.

I like this answer.

[Texn8]

I answer. "Real ones today start at 1.5 million.....I can't afford to drive my real one! Insurance restrictions, ya' know?"
Left it home in the vault!

[ront49]

Originally Posted by Texn8

I answer. "Real ones today start at 1.5 million.....I can't afford to drive my real one! Insurance restrictions, ya' know?"
Left it home in the vault!

Now that's funny!

[RB60]

I think most who ask "is it real" are really asking if it is one of the 998 "original" cars built in the 60's.
When I'm asked that, I tell them it's a replica and if I could afford a "real one" (or an "original one"), I'd sell it and buy one of these replicas because I'd be scared sh!tless to drive an "original" with all the idiots on the road today, and I just love driving this one. They usually just smile and agree, then tell me it's a beautiful car.

[t walgamuth]

I try to remember when they ask if it is real that they are asking because they like it and just want to engage you in conversation about it. They really don't care if it is real or not. If it is super fast they might brag to a friend about it.

Some folks here complain if a replica is called a Hot Rod. I say why? Shel himself called them Hot rods built by a bunch of Hot rodders. Of course it is a Hot rod.

[RodKnock]

More from Ned Scudder (Nedsel), page 51, post #1105:

So, fifty pages later, it boils down to the definition of "replica" in the dictionary - "an exact copy or model of something" - versus a paragraph in the 2008 SAAC Registry explaining that many different copies of the "Cobra" had been built that were really nothing like the original, yet they were still considered "replicas" in peoples' minds. So, as stated in the registry: "This left the true replicas - like Shelby's CSX 4000s - to come up with another name to describe themselves. Because he did not want his cars devalued by using the term 'replica,' Shelby chose "Component Cobra." And the MSO - Manufacturer's Statement of Origin - for a CSX 4xxx-series car states that is is sold without an engine or transmission, so in fact it is a component car, i.e. sold incomplete.

It would appear to me that each of these factors suggests the real argument should be "Why does every thread devolve into a Component vs. Replica argument?"

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

"Why does every thread devolve into a Component vs. Replica argument?"[/b][/i]

I bet you didn't know that ponent meant the area of the setting sun, which is usually the west. Of course, you can then add the prefix op to it or com to it, as you see fit, or, As You Like It, if you're more prone to pastoral comedies.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I bet you didn't know that ponent meant the area of the setting sun, which is usually the west. Of course, you can then add the prefix op to it or com to it, as you see fit, or, As You Like It, if you're more prone to pastoral comedies.

Time for your medication.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Time for your medication.

And I thought you were going to write "who on earth would write a comedy about a pastor?"

[twobjshelbys]

Your interpretation because it suits your agenda. I know that Shelby American disagrees. And those of us that buy or have bought them don't get what the burr under your saddle is. But go ahead, you're speaking to only 1% of the Shelby CSX owners here anyway.

Chrysler has been sold many times and yet they still are Chryslers. Even Ferrari isn't Ferrari yet do you see anyone claiming that they are now built by Fiat?

Again, nothing new can or will be said.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Your interpretation because it suits your agenda. I know that Shelby American disagrees. And those of us that buy or have bought them don't get what the burr under your saddle is. But go ahead, you're speaking to only 1% of the Shelby CSX owners here anyway.

Chrysler has been sold many times and yet they still are Chryslers. Even Ferrari isn't Ferrari yet do you see anyone claiming that they are now built by Fiat?

Again, nothing new can or will be said.

First, the Shelby company that exists today is not the "original maker." And both Chrysler and Ferrari don't have 30-year gaps between building cars.

Chrysler and Ferrari are making new complete cars that are being sold to the public, which meet current 2019 Federal safety and emissions laws.

Shelby sells a kit now, not a completed car, because the car doesn't meet current Federal safety and emissions laws.