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03-15-2003, 05:51 AM
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Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Brisbane, Australia,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Contemporary CCX3117 427FE
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Has anyone bought surplus/used NASCAR parts off Ebay?
I've only recently seen how cheap the prices are for new/used Nascar parts via a few guys on Ebay.
Each of them seems to have quality product at (usually) no reserve.
To name a couple :
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...wpics=1&stab=0
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...erid=r-code351
It just seems that you could buy stainless braided hose, AN fittings, rods, pistons, cranks, heads, manifolds, valve springs etc, etc for a tiny fraction of it's original price - and a lot of it's brand new....
What's the catch?
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03-15-2003, 07:10 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Senoia,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 427SO with big twin autolite inlines on custom intake, jag rear, top loader, wembeldon white, guardsmen blue stripes
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His feedback seems to be ok, I picked up a new driveshaft loop for $20.00, quality item........
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03-15-2003, 11:01 AM
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I have some used Nascar parts good stuff have to be careful with cranks pistons rods most have wild combo for the cu.they run.
The AN parts stainless hoses MSD ect. are good and cheap I like the 9"Ring & Pinion stuff have every # from 2.00-6.00.Had a friend buy a Ron Davis radiator 6 core with oil cooler for $150 but with 6 cores you couldn't get any air threw it what good but neat
Ken
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03-15-2003, 11:38 AM
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Craig;
Most of the major teams have web-sites and you can buy used parts,everything from lug nuts to complete cars,directly from the team.... Also,if you're a NASCAR fan and belong to a fan club they usually have a newsletter with used stuff in it.... About five years or so ago,when I was in the Bill Elliot fan club they did that and I bought a shift knob from one of his #94 McDonalds car,it's in my Mustang right now....
I saw recently at Roush Racing they had used 9" ring & pinion sets for 150 bucks or less,all with one race or less on them and most had been lightened and polished,very good deal IMHO.....
I know of at least one local dirt track racer who is running a 358 used Busch motor and loves it....Not only does it have more power than anything he has ever had,he told me it is actually cheaper to operate cause the darn thing does break down or break parts... Top shelf parts will last and all he does over the winter is put rings and bearing in it and runs it all season...
David
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03-15-2003, 12:19 PM
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Craig, no real catch, a lot of the parts are used, and last year stuff. I live in Nascar country, and have visited a shop whose main function is used Nascar parts. The teams get some money back on their investment, and the new owner gets the best parts money can buy! I bought a couple of things for my Cobra there, master cylinders, and such, great fun just to browse through the aisles. If you need something, let me know, would be happy to go through the place, and see if they have it!
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03-15-2003, 04:23 PM
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Craig,
I bought several items for my Cobra like this.. including a NICE wilwood Brake pedal with dual master cylinders and remote brake bias adjuster all for under $100 !!!! This saved me A LOT of cash.
Only thing is, being that it was for a race car, now I have to figure a way to make a brake light switch work. I tried an in-line hydraulic switch, but for some reason, it does not activate until you REALLY mash the pedal. By then, your standing on your nose, or skidding to a stop. 
If anyone has a suggestion on this, let me know. Thanks
RZ
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03-15-2003, 05:39 PM
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Ronzara, get a low pressure in line switch from NAPA........
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03-15-2003, 06:42 PM
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A lot of the stuff you see for sale is ok. But you better be VERY careful with cranks, rods, pistons, cams, lifters, rockers, etc. They do try some off the wall stuff to try to get an edge and if it doesn't work it hits the used market. AN fittings, hose, some drive line parts, belts, pumps, etc. should be OK.
h dog
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03-16-2003, 02:54 AM
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Thanks for the replies. I have seen some of the small journal (Honda) bearing size crank and rod assemblies for sale. Great stuff, but you'd want to be really careful to get a matched assembly.
Looking further, the very same big $$$ valve springs that I have in my motor are being offered for 1/6th of what I paid for them. I emailed the guy and he said if the springs had lost even 2lb seat pressure (from 240 down to 238), he'd take them back and give me a full refund 
Chris P - I'm jealous! There are no shops anything like that over here - the only shops selling used racecar parts are just looking for the souvenir market. Hardcore parts just don't seem to come on the market. Thanks very much for the offer of picking up parts. I can't think of anything that I really need at the moment - but that's not to say there aren't things that I want !!! I'd better stop spending money for a while.... 
Ronzara - Scott (OZVENOM) made up a simple little bracket for my Wilwood pedal box that mounted a brake switch from some non-descript import car. That meant that I only needed to run a couple of wires to it, rather than cutting into the brake lines.
Hounddog - point taken about the lifters and rotating parts. If I buy anything for my motor, it has to be strong enough for a 400 cube supercharged combo, not just light enough to last 500 miles... For that reason, I'd be wary about using the titanium valves or the really light crank/rod combos. I can see me buying some of those pre-assembled Kevlar hoses and a dry sump assembly when my wallet recovers!
Craig
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03-16-2003, 08:22 AM
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750hp,
I would love to see your bracket design, if you could e-mail me a rough drawing or send a pic, I'd appreciate it!!!!!!!!
Thanks,
RZ
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03-16-2003, 08:41 AM
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BRACKET
RONZARA;
I USED A BRAKE SWITCH BRACKET FROM A 89 MUSTANG FOR MY BRAKE SWITCH. A LITTLE CUTTING AND A BEND OR TWO. IT WORKS GREAT!
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03-17-2003, 02:33 AM
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RZ, Just like Dwight - if you find a brake switch from any old wreck, it's just a matter of welding or bolting a bracket in front of the top portion of the brake pedal. When the pedal is pushed down, the switch "opens". As such, there's really very little pressure or load on the switch, so you won't have to go crazy with an over-engineered, TIG welded masterpiece.
It sounds so easy, but I still had a friend do it for me....
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03-17-2003, 05:02 AM
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Re: the lines and fittings, if there is any engine failure of any type, the lines ,fittings, filters are all replaced. Wash out any oil associated part you get.
I got a whole car when wild Bill switched to Dodge and keep it running with team surplus. Most valve components, most components period only run one race. With 20 million a year as a budget, they would feel pretty stoopid if there was a failure of any kind. |
03-17-2003, 05:20 AM
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John - absolutely right about oil contamination. A lot of guys won't reuse an oil cooler after contamination, saying that you can never clean an oil cooler to be 100% clean....
This brings me to another question. How often do top Nascar teams actually have mechanical failures? I'm not talking about a little fuel / spark related miss, but a full scale "rods out the side", or "valves dancing on pistons" type of outright mechanical carnage? |
03-17-2003, 06:37 AM
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A whole lot more often than Jack Roush would like to see. The Roush Fords have been blowing up every week, some weeks 4 out of 6 engines fail.
Scott
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03-17-2003, 11:17 AM
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I purchased a ring & pinon gear set that was stated to have 500 miles. Obviously this is much harder usage than any of us would give a component. It was polished & burnished, and looked very nice but when it came time to set the pattern and back lash, it was somewhat difficult to optain a good consistant pattern. The extreem horsepower and usage received must have moved or worn some of the teeth a minor amount. The final pattern obtained was ok but not the most desireable.
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03-17-2003, 02:18 PM
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Well, Watkins Glen Blows motors because 10000 rpm is what you get if you go from 4th to 2nd too soon. The valves hit the pistons. Other mechanical failures occur because the engine is new and has dyno time only. Bigger teams run engines around and test them before race day. For other teams, race day IS test day. Ford Gt's all had failed trans input shafts during the 1967 Daytona 24hrs due to poor metalurgy in the shaft billetts. All new, all failed, except I think one gt40 with an old shaft. Overheating is a big problem too and changes mechanical relationships and interfaces. Also, Johnny hotshoe can ruin anything given a chance. Most successful race drivers are easier on the equipment than a novice, especially transmissions.
This is why I drive the junker, er I mean, the tried and tested car I drive, for dependability !
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03-17-2003, 05:57 PM
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http://www.thedetailzone.com/Wire%20...20Switches.htm
This is the inline brake light switch I used. It works with little pressre on the pedal and is pretty easy to mount. Ron Francis makes pretty good street rod stuff.
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03-18-2003, 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by scottj
A whole lot more often than Jack Roush would like to see. The Roush Fords have been blowing up every week, some weeks 4 out of 6 engines fail.
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Scott - does anyone know what's going wrong with them? (and don't say the brand name on the valve covers  ) I know they're obviously trying all sorts of bore/stroke/rod length/journal size combos, but you'd think that Roush would kill dyno motors, but make the race ones a little less extreme...
Rick - thanks for the feedback. It seems hard to imagine that the ring gear would wear in such a short time! Has it been radically lightened? |
03-18-2003, 06:57 AM
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Craig,
You won't get a Ford bashing comment from me, I'm probably the least brand-loyal guy in here.
They lost some engines a couple weeks ago due to fuel related piston failure, one to a crank failure (2002 design crank), some to oil/rpm bearing failure.
They're making more power this year, but say that is not the reason except in the case of the failed crank.
Last fall it was Hendricks Chevys blowing up, so it goes around.
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