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patrickt 01-20-2011 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1104120)
Unfortunately magnesium HAS gone up. Russia and China are huge consumers and suppliers of the stuff. They're busy using it, too.
You should have known that was bogus off the top of your head.:cool:

http://www.metalprices.com/pubcharts...&cs=1011&cid=0

rodneym 01-20-2011 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1104131)
You should have known that was bogus off the top of your head.:cool:

http://www.metalprices.com/pubcharts...&cs=1011&cid=0
C'mon, patrickt. Are you an attorney or a climatologist? Your chart is misleading.

What matters is how much magnesium costs today vs the last time THE WHEELS were produced, not simply displaying the lowering cost of magnesium due to the slowing economy in recent years. Not to mention increased processing costs and increased labor costs. My business in vinyl. Prices skyrocket up and parachute down. Being armed with the current cost of oil doesn't do jack shine to the price I pay.

Currently mg is up 20% from 2001 (when was the last mag run, anyways?). We should compare the cost that M&A bought their magnesium for, compared to what they (or whoever will make them) are paying now, assuming they're FIFO and only have current priced mg on hand. But that's intruding and I don't tell people how to run their business. I suppose if you want to call Richard a liar, just come right out and say it.

What really matters to me is that I (and others) would like magnesium wheels.

You should have known that...off the top of your head:cool:

ERA Chas 01-20-2011 06:55 PM
Gee Pat-now there's two of me...

patrickt 01-20-2011 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1104152)
Currently mg is up 20% from 2001 (when was the last mag run, anyways?).
Rodney, Rodney, Rodney... don't get your panties in a wad. Magnesium is under a buck fifty a pound. Even if that's 20% up from 2001, how could that possibly account for any significant increase?

patrickt 01-20-2011 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1104154)
Gee Pat-now there's two of me...
Double the fun. BTW, what does one of your pretty mag wheels weigh?

cobrakiwi 01-20-2011 07:20 PM
The ones I just sold where around 20 lb’s boxed each, but one of the new owners might chime in.
I am all so waiting to see what the cost is going to be on these new ones if and when it may happen, I bet they won’t be cheap.

patrickt 01-20-2011 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cobrakiwi (Post 1104160)
The ones I just sold where around 20 lb’s boxed each...
Then a hefty 30 cent per pound increase in magnesium would account for a sticker shock of about six bucks more per wheel, correct? Even if you doubled, tripled, quadrupled that number it's still pretty much nothing. That's why I stand by my previous bogus assessment.:cool:

ERA Chas 01-20-2011 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1104158)
Double the fun. BTW, what does one of your pretty mag wheels weigh?
Good question for a change. Didn't have the foresight to weigh them brand new, unmounted. But mounting my Billboards, the fronts are 35 total and the rears 41 total. My old TD's were 36 and 43.

Dunlop Qualifiers were about 10-12 pounds heavier.

rodneym 01-20-2011 07:49 PM
YOU GUYS!!!
This is not the same magnesium that goes in your Centrum Senior vitamins.
We're talking about a magnesium alloy, which is more than likely an aerospace grade.
Geez.
At any rate, the price will be the price. We will decide with our pocket books.

RodKnock 01-20-2011 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1104131)
You should have known that was bogus off the top of your head.:cool:

http://www.metalprices.com/pubcharts...&cs=1011&cid=0
Hey, what about labor prices, depending on where they're made, and the supply/demand equation. Don't forget those factors.

patrickt 01-20-2011 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1104166)
YOU GUYS!!!
This is not the same magnesium that goes in your Centrum Senior vitamins.
We're talking about a magnesium alloy, which is more than likely an aerospace grade. .
Uh-huh... I'll take that as a thinly veiled capitulation.;) I win.:cool: ERA Chas also loses because he aligned himself, ever so slightly, on your side of the debate.:p

RodKnock 01-20-2011 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1104154)
Gee Pat-now there's two of me...
Yep, first time in a long time that he's used logic and/or facts. :LOL:

I was actually surprised he didn't make up some percentage. He actually gave us a chart/graph. :eek:

RodKnock 01-20-2011 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1104118)
Did Richard own the company then? I've lost track of the ownership since I bought mine-can you reconstruct?
I actually started corresponding with a women named Karen. They probably laid her off and then Richard took over sales. Just a guess.

I have no clue about ownership changes. Not really that important to me, unless someone claims their 2001 vintage magnesium Halibrand wheels are worth more than my 2021 vintage. :LOL:

In this case, I believe in LMMV. Last Made Most Valuable. :D

rodneym 01-20-2011 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1104170)
Yep, first time in a long time that he's used logic and/or facts. :LOL:

I was actually surprised he didn't make up some percentage. He actually gave us a chart/graph. :eek:
What patrickt forgot to show was the chart from the 3 years PRIOR to his, which shows Mg shooting up from .65 to over $2/LB.
http://www.metalprices.com/FreeSite/metals/mg/mg.asp

My car costs only $1150 in steel. Damnit, I been robbed!!!:LOL:

For your information, patrickt, I have NEVER capitulated. Not even when I was 13 and saw Holley Haney from across the street in her bikini.:p

RodKnock 01-20-2011 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1104181)
What patrickt forgot to show was the chart from the 3 years PRIOR to his, which shows Mg shooting up from .65 to over $2/LB.
http://www.metalprices.com/FreeSite/metals/mg/mg.asp
Yes, but wasn't a much better effort than normal? I should we should encourage his positive behaviors. Like Pavlov and his dog.

ERA Chas 01-21-2011 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1104175)
I actually started corresponding with a women named Karen. They probably laid her off and then Richard took over sales. Just a guess.

I have no clue about ownership changes. Not really that important to me, unless someone claims their 2001 vintage magnesium Halibrand wheels are worth more than my 2021 vintage. :LOL:
Thanks for an answer Rod-a novelty around here lately.

OK, I claim my vintage 1991's are more valuable-more mag, less 'alloy'.:cool: They may in fact be lighter than the new batch...

patrickt 01-21-2011 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1104259)
Thanks for an answer Rod-a novelty around here lately.
A "novelty" is something that is new, not something that "used to be present and is now rarely seen," which I'm sure you meant. Therefore, you be dum. http://www.capitalareacobraclub.com/...ve1/10_6_8.gif

ERA Chas 01-21-2011 08:31 AM
Ya GOTTA stop man...

patrickt 01-21-2011 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1104262)
Ya GOTTA stop man...
Not until my car comes out of the bag and starts breaking down again....:p

RodKnock 01-21-2011 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1104259)
Thanks for an answer Rod-a novelty around here lately.

OK, I claim my vintage 1991's are more valuable-more mag, less 'alloy'.:cool: They may in fact be lighter than the new batch...
Wouldn't more alloy and better purity make them more valuable, more expensive and ultimately lighter?

Again, the question may be moot, since production of a new batch is tenuous.


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