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Old 06-11-2014, 03:02 PM
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Rumor has it that Larry Ellison paid $1,000,000 for his Billet Kirkham, or did he? What was the final price? What is it worth to the next owner?

Supposition, conjecture, hearsay, internet banter, etc. I'm very happy for this "underground" economy.

I paid $30,000, or maybe, it was $40,000 for my "hot rod shaped like a Nissan." I forget what I had for breakfast. I'm so old.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:29 PM
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Some people think I paid too much for my Cobra. I think some of them paid too much for their watch. My Timex is just fine. But in the end, we spent our own money and got what was important to us. Why do we have to argue about that?
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Here's a picture of two factory approved full competition cars, csx 4163 and csx 1003 at SAC 35. I can only speak for myself, but I believe you won't see these cars sell below 200 thousand. I don't know if any of the other competition cars have sold, but I doubt they would sell below 200 thousand either.


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Old 06-12-2014, 06:54 AM
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Here's a picture of two factory approved full competition cars, csx 4163 and csx 1003 at SAC 35. I can only speak for myself, but I believe you won't see these cars sell below 200 thousand. I don't know if any of the other competition cars have sold, but I doubt they would sell below 200 thousand either.


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So I'm confused, why are all the other CSX4000 cars on SAAC all circa $85,000.00
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:56 AM
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Quite frankly, I'm glad for the earlier Chevy powered Ace.
It proved to be a loser.

The Ford powered Cobra? Well, we're not going to revise that now, are we?
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Quite frankly, I'm glad for the earlier Chevy powered Ace.
It proved to be a loser ...
Well, I guess that makes CS dumb as a door knob, he wanted chevy power first
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:18 AM
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Well, I guess that makes CS dumb as a door knob, he wanted chevy power first
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Stands to reason. CS was going after a soft target. Chevy had the Corvette and he figured they would 'get it'. But the GM brick wall that eventually led them to be bailed out, was well established back then.
Ford had stodgy offerrings and was poised for change. The rest, is history.

I don't know if ol Shel was as dumb as a door knob, but if you've ever known a champion, you'd know them to have built successes on top of failures.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:23 AM
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So I'm confused, why are all the other CSX4000 cars on SAAC all circa $85,000.00
Assuming your question is serious, and I'll keep it brief, there are both aluminum and fiberglass CSX4000's. The aluminum bodied CSX4000's are not anywhere near $85,000. Roughly double that amount. A new completed alloy CSX4000 sits at Hillbank asking $199,000. The bodies of the aluminum CSX4000's are produced by Kirkham. The CSX1000's are all aluminum bodies and were produced in England. The English CSX1000 series are roughly double the value of aluminum CSX4000 series Cobra's.

Again, just a thumbnail sketch and the values I've thrown out can be argued since not many are traded, at least publicly.
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Assuming your question is serious, and I'll keep it brief, there are both aluminum and fiberglass CSX4000's. The aluminum bodied CSX4000's are not anywhere near $85,000. Roughly double that amount. A new completed alloy CSX4000 sits at Hillbank asking $199,000. The bodies of the aluminum CSX4000's are produced by Kirkham. The CSX1000's are all aluminum bodies and were produced in England. The English CSX1000 series are roughly double the value of aluminum CSX4000 series Cobra's.

Again, just a thumbnail sketch and the values I've thrown out can be argued since not many are traded, at least publicly.
Yes it was a serious question, I was intrigued as to how one person can argue that his car is worth circa $200,000 when there are early number CSX 4000 cars advertised on SAAC (4065,4062,4031 and 4836) with prices ranging from $82,000 to $120,000. I thought all early CSX Cobras were Aluminium, didn't realize the Fibreglass copies started so early.

(For the record I have Kirkham KMP709 with every option and then some including Cammer with 8 stack so I know what I have spent.)
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Yes it was a serious question, I was intrigued as to how one person can argue that his car is worth circa $200,000 when there are early number CSX 4000 cars advertised on SAAC (4065,4062,4031 and 4836) with prices ranging from $82,000 to $120,000. I thought all early CSX Cobras were Aluminium, didn't realize the Fibreglass copies started so early.

(For the record I have Kirkham KMP709 with every option and then some including Cammer with 8 stack so I know what I have spent.)
$80,000-$120,000 is fiberglass CSX territory. There's a beautiful black CSX (fiberglass) asking $120K on Cobra Country with an 8-stack EFI 526ci engine that looks outstanding.

No affiliation, but here's alloy CSX4389 advertised for $165,000 here in CA:

Mohr Imports, Inc.

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1965 Shelby Cobra 427 CSX 4000 Aluminum Body | eBay
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Evan: Likewise. What you say in this subject area matters not to me either.

The upside of this thread has been the Mullen2 came out of the shadows and joined us with his CSX1000 car.
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Evan: Likewise. What you say in this subject area matters not to me either.

The upside of this thread has been the Mullen2 came out of the shadows and joined us with his CSX1000 car.
Fair enough and agreed on both counts.
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Evan: Likewise. What you say in this subject area matters not to me either.

The upside of this thread has been the Mullen2 came out of the shadows and joined us with his CSX1000 car.
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Fair enough and agreed on both counts.
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Overall...a good day.
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Except I still think we need to consider that Shelby replicated the Chevy powered AC ace.
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The peanut gallery whines for tranquillity, repeatedly posts pics of dead horses being beaten then when things calm down routinely throw a live grenade back in. Comical really.

Just like a troublesome kindergarden class that hears what it what's to hear, refuses to listen and learn because it already knows what it knows and as a result never moves on to the next grade despite my best efforts to help them. Sad.
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The peanut gallery whines for tranquillity, repeatedly posts pics of dead horses being beaten then when things calm down routinely throw a live grenade back in. Comical really.

Just like a troublesome kindergarden class that hears what it what's to hear, refuses to listen and learn because it already knows what it knows and as a result never moves on to the next grade despite my best efforts to help them. Sad.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you are nothing but a troll who gets his kicks off being an internet a$$. I really feel sorry for you.
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Except I still think we need to consider that Shelby replicated the Chevy powered AC ace.
Yes indeed, without chevy powered ACE's hitting USA tracks in 1957, the cobra may not have been, those were the early cobra prototypes. The ford guys hate to hear this, it pops their little bubble that it was shelby's idea to put a V8 in a euro sports car. There's a reason CS went to GM first, 5 years later no less, but he couldn't have his own chevy powered ACE, so he settled for 2nd best with a ford. Getting the history straight can be a biatch!
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Please open a new thread on you csx1000 car and the bucks. It would be great to see it

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Old 06-12-2014, 12:38 PM
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My understanding from a reliable source who worked at the factory is that all the original bucks went into a landfill site many, many years ago. I don't believe any of the "continuation" cars were made on original bucks.
There were obviously plenty of bucks around at the factory, but that doesn't mean they were the ones from the 60's.

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