Aluminum Body Shelby Continuation rollers $160,000.00

[REAL 1]

Next watch will be a Ulysse Nardin.

[AL427SBF]

... and none of them keep better time than a $10 timex quartz lol.
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[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Good relevant info for this thread.

Looking at the roller list, how much are baer brakes, halibrand wheels, leaf springs, tires, bucket seats, carpet, frame, roll bar, wooden steering wheel, Smith gauges, mirrors? U buy these identical parts from a store and they don't add up to $25K.

2 year wait+++ is a long time! People get sick, move, divorce, go broke, find other toys, lose patience, etc. Do buyers lose their 50% deposit if they back out?

After the body/frame is complete, the rest of the Cobra is not hard to assemble. I can install front and rear suspension in 2-3 work days(8 hrs a day), and u don't need to be a Cobra specialist. Fact: my buddy purchased a Shelby Mustang Snake from Shelby Inc. and the Shelby Tech who assembled his Mustang also works on Cobras (when or if they ever arrive at the Vegas shop). Look past nostalgia. These Cobras are not complicated to build and build quickly.

At least FFR got their philosophy and budget correct; these cars are for hobbyists, a niche market, and they should be reasonably priced to continue the hobby.

SAI makes Cobras with 60 year old parts and charges 3X or 4X their actual cost, a 2 year wait, and they give u a hot rod authenticated with Shelby's name and Cobra badges? With all due respect to the Shelby legacy and family, the exclusivity brand is not worth $160K++, not with the build parts and depreciation drop once the car leaves the showroom.(Is there a warranty for a roller?)

nyg

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Looking at the roller list, how much are baer brakes, halibrand wheels, leaf springs, tires, bucket seats, carpet, frame, roll bar, wooden steering wheel, Smith gauges, mirrors? U buy these identical parts from a store and they don't add up to $25K.

2 year wait+++ is a long time! People get sick, move, divorce, go broke, find other toys, lose patience, etc. Do buyers lose their 50% deposit if they back out?

After the body/frame is complete, the rest of the Cobra is not hard to assemble. I can install front and rear suspension in 2-3 work days(8 hrs a day), and u don't need to be a Cobra specialist. Fact: my buddy purchased a Shelby Mustang Snake from Shelby Inc. and the Shelby Tech who assembled his Mustang also works on Cobras (when or if they ever arrive at the Vegas shop). Look past nostalgia. These Cobras are not complicated to build and build quickly.

At least FFR got their philosophy and budget correct; these cars are for hobbyists, a niche market, and they should be reasonably priced to continue the hobby.

SAI makes Cobras with 60 year old parts and charges 3X or 4X their actual cost, a 2 year wait, and they give u a hot rod authenticated with Shelby's name and Cobra badges? With all due respect to the Shelby legacy and family, the exclusivity brand is not worth $160K++, not with the build parts and depreciation drop once the car leaves the showroom.(Is there a warranty for a roller?)

nyg

First, thank you for bringing the topic back to Shelby Cobra's. If I want to hear about watches, then I should jump off the nearest bridge.

Second, you're still forgetting about the supply/demand equation. Chipotle Mexican Grill (CMG) is $565/share right now with a P/E of 53. What is up with that? I don't understand. It's fast food Mexican style. Supply/Demand.

You will have to wait for an ERA, KMP or CSX. The KMP wait will vary, but in the past, 4-6 months is/was normal. SPF tends to be a short(er) wait.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

First, thank you for bringing the topic back to Shelby Cobra's. If I want to hear about watches, then I should jump off the nearest bridge.

Second, you're still forgetting about the supply/demand equation. Chipotle Mexican Grill (CMG) is $565/share right now with a P/E of 53. What is up with that? I don't understand. It's fast food Mexican style. Supply/Demand.

You will have to wait for an ERA, KMP or CSX. The KMP wait will vary, but in the past, 4-6 months is/was normal. SPF tends to be a short(er) wait.

I have 2 expensive watches: Bell Ross and a Rolex and I don't wear either. My Casio is my everyday. I do have a fake Omega and Jaeger made in Japan and neither would I wear to a wedding or to Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.

I don't have Chipotle but I had plenty of Facebook when I used to work there. Cashed out. Semi-retired now.

4-6 month wait is reasonable. 2 year++ is absurd for 60 year old bolt on parts. I believe the USA wait for a McLaren P1 is 18 months.

[RodKnock]

America is about waiting in line. You have to wait your turn.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

America is about waiting in line. You have to wait your turn.

The sales guy for Shelby hasn't sold 1 50th Anniversary Cobra 289. What proof do u have that there is a demand?

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

I have 2 expensive watches: Bell Ross and a Rolex and I don't wear either. My Casio is my everyday. I do have a fake Omega and Jaeger made in Japan and neither would I wear to a wedding or to Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.

I don't have Chipotle but I had plenty of Facebook when I used to work there. Cashed out. Semi-retired now.

4-6 month wait is reasonable. 2 year++ is absurd for 60 year old bolt on parts. I believe the USA wait for a McLaren P1 is 18 months.

Actually was talking to McLaren Special Operations(MSO) the other week. I have been sort of stalling and trying to figure out with them certain specializations for lack of a better word. I think the entire production of 375 should be completed by Christmas. P1's have just started to be seen in the US. They kissed Jay's ass by giving him the first one imported into the US.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

Actually was talking to McLaren Special Operations(MSO) the other week. I have been sort of stalling and trying to figure out with them certain specializations for lack of a better word. I think the entire production of 375 should be completed by Christmas. P1's have just started to be seen in the US. They kissed Jay's ass by giving him the first one imported into the US.

Damn you, OR!

Maybe I can buy your P1 in 20 years? Should depreciate to Kelly Blue book value $10K in 2034, right?

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

If I want to hear about watches, then I should jump off the nearest bridge.

Y

I know a few very peaceful and scenic bridges in the LA area I can recommend.


Rolex to me is like my Ford P/U's. Patek, Vacherin(especially the ones with invisible backs)are very nice and rarely wear any of them. My favorite one is the mariana trench watch. I still have a few MIB watches I give away as gifts.

NYG doesn't have a watch by Jacob?

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

NYG doesn't have a watch by Jacob?

Yes, made in Canal Street, NYC.

But my "real" sneakers' collection will impress u!

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Damn you, OR!

Maybe I can buy your P1 in 20 years? Should depreciate to Kelly Blue book value $10K in 2034, right?

Actually look at the F1 production. What took them 1000's of hours to do back then can be done in a few hours now. Production of composites has come a long way. I think they originally were going to make a few hundred F1's and about 64 were produced with 36 racers. so a little over 105 or 106 in total. It is still one of my all time favorite automobiles. You should research how those have gone up in price.

Still sitting on the fence to tell you the truth on the P1. Probably one of the best cars I have driven very safe with traction control and brake steering and all that good stuff. I think it will probably save a few people that normally could be over their heads with speed. I mean with the F1 if you were at the edge you knew it but with this one amazing technology and how it is applied.

Not sure about the production either I based it on 1 complete P1 built per day so I didn't take into account weekends and I'm sure some dealers put in orders just to hold onto for that premium you know. As I understand all the cars have been ordered since last year and a wait list is in effect. I really had to think long and hard about that order..still thinking about it.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

Actually look at the F1 production. What took them 1000's of hours to do back then can be done in a few hours now. Production of composites has come a long way. I think they originally were going to make a few hundred F1's and about 64 were produced with 36 racers. so a little over 105 or 106 in total. It is still one of my all time favorite automobiles. You should research how those have gone up in price.

Still sitting on the fence to tell you the truth on the P1. Probably one of the best cars I have driven very safe with traction control and brake steering and all that good stuff. I think it will probably save a few people that normally could be over their heads with speed. I mean with the F1 if you were at the edge you knew it but with this one amazing technology and how it is applied.

Not sure about the production either I based it on 1 complete P1 built per day so I didn't take into account weekends and I'm sure some dealers put in orders just to hold onto for that premium you know. As I understand all the cars have been ordered since last year and a wait list is in effect. I really had to think long and hard about that order..still thinking about it.

OR,
Do u think Shelby Cobra continuation cars are a good investment or bad, are they worth $160K++ roller tag?

If u were the CEO of Shelby America Inc., how would u market the Cobra to the X and Y generation car guy?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

The sales guy for Shelby hasn't sold 1 50th Anniversary Cobra 289. What proof do u have that there is a demand?

Are we talking about the CSX7000 FIA's or the CSX8000 Black/Red street model? Which 50th anniversary model? I'm confused with all the anniversary models.

I thought the black/red street model was announced as sold out. And I don't think 1 dealer is an appropriate sample size.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

But my "real" sneakers' collection will impress u!

Now, athletic shoes I can understand, but only if you use them.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

OR,
Do u think Shelby Cobra continuation cars are a good investment or bad, are they worth $160K++ roller tag?

If u were the CEO of Shelby America Inc., how would u market the Cobra to the X and Y generation car guy?

Whoa. Cars are a good investment? With very few exceptions, NO.

You keep asking the value question and that's a supply/demand issue.

However, Evan has suggested that the sales prices of aluminum CSX4000's are $200,000-$250,000 and I just haven't seen anything recently that is remotely close to that level and published in Keith Martin's Sports Car Market auction magazine. But, maybe he can enlighten us with some actual published sales prices. I call BS, until I see actual sales results. No hyperbole, hearsay and conjecture.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

... and none of them keep better time than a $10 timex quartz lol.
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Shame on you...go get a Prius and drag race with NYG.

[jhv48]

Since we're now talking about watches, my wife bought me a Rolex for Xmas a few years ago. One of those ultra thin gold ones that you have to manually wind every few days.

Returned it the next day. Damned if I'm going to try and remember to wind my watch every other day!

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I have a Navitimer and an Omega Seamaster. Some other Breitlings too.

If your arse is still as big as the last time I saw you and arsesuming your wrists are proportional I understand your need for BB watches

Assright!

A few favorites from da box...others are dress or boring or both.

A real life PAM 1 (purchased back in 99 before the craze started)

PAM 170 Sub (Anthracite/Ti/bracelet)

Heuer Monaco (TAG who?)

Omega Seamaster

Omega Speedy...the real one.

Omega Ploprof (Cousteau's spec...sharkproof bracelet/straps)

Navitimer World

Doxa 750 GMT (Dirk Pitt's favorite...three time zones...rice kernel bracelet)

A ton of straps for the Panerais...and the others.

Who needs a sub-forum...more fun to hijack threads for a page or two.

[601HP]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Watch forums? Really? Wow. Time to hit the snooze button.

You never know. I started casually reading over them in the past few months. Bought several watches too, based on info from those sites.

David