My fake is faker than your fake!

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

Lots of shamless copycat karma in the Cobra line... the original AC Ace was a knock-off of the Ferrari 166MM Barchetta. So Tojiero was part of the fakeydoo movement, too!!!!

Those two cars look worlds apart, maybe the Ace was inspired by the Ferrrari, but knock-off no can do. The Ace a whole lot closer to an MG

[CCRsAC]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Those two cars look worlds apart, maybe the Ace was inspired by the Ferrrari, but knock-off no can do. The Ace a whole lot closer to an MG

Yes, yes, yes... by jove you've got it. The nose of the Ace was inspired by the 166MM, as the tail was inspired by the MGA...

... as my FFR was inspired by the Shelby AC Cobra.

I wonder what my FFR will inspire? (Wait for it... wait for it... I get the feeling someone with a real one will have an answer for that.)

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

Yes, yes, yes... by jove you've got it. The nose of the Ace was inspired by the 166MM, as the tail was inspired by the MGA...

... as my FFR was inspired by the Shelby AC Cobra.

I wonder what my FFR will inspire? (Wait for it... wait for it... I get the feeling someone with a real one will have an answer for that.)

Ah, a mongrel or mutt if you will, thank you

[CCRsAC]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Ah, a mongrel or mutt if you will, thank you

I was expecting something more along the lines of disdain.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

Yes, yes, yes... by jove you've got it. The nose of the Ace was inspired by the 166MM, as the tail was inspired by the MGA...

... as my FFR was inspired by the Shelby AC Cobra.

I wonder what my FFR will inspire? (Wait for it... wait for it... I get the feeling someone with a real one will have an answer for that.)

No problem. Glad I can help. AL427SBF has been right on the money in his posts. Just follow him and you'll be fine.

To say that your FFR was "inspired" by the Shelby Cobra is certainly using that term VERY loosely. That's OK since this entire thread is all about imposter cars or fakeydoos no point in using terms appropriately. Consistency is the key here so it's OK.

The shape of the FFR wasn't "inspired" by the Cobra. Nope. The Cobra did inspire FFR to copy/duplicate the shape. Subtle but Big difference.

What will your FFR inspire? Absolutely nothing from an automotive standpoint. From an enthusiast standpoint hopefully it will inspire more people getting into the "Cobra/Cobra replica (fakeydo) hobby. That's a good thing..and that ain't bad for something thats totally fake.

Cheers.

[CCRsAC]

Going back to our scoring of fakiness - here is my tally, along with a list of the mods I've made throughout the nearly five years that I've been working on my FFR.

Points for not being real = default of 10
Points for mods = 88

I guess that means I missed having a 100 point car by just two - oh well.

I'd also be happy to share a how-to with anyone looking to do similar mods to their FFR or other fakeydoo.

• Riveted hood scoop with modified contour
• Rivets ringing the leading edge of the hood as on the original comp and s/c cars
• Rolled wheelwell / flare lips
• Smoothed and painted body underside using Eastwood Aluma-Blast to replicate look of bare aluminum
• Hidden body side mounts
• Revised front body mounts to look like original-style riveted mounts
• Original style hood prop rod and storage clip
• Bumpers w/hoops – polished stainless steel
• Roll hoop, driver’s side only, in smaller diameter tubing
• Smiths mechanical gauges set in an S/C dash layout (speedometer, tach, oil temp, oil pressure, water temp, volts, and fuel from Nisonger)
• Smiths rally clocks - stopwatch and clock
• Lock-out style shift lever with correct flat-top black knob with 4-speed markings
• Leather pull straps on doors (hooked to door latches to act as a release pull)
• Ashtray - OEM-style Cobra part
• Waxed cord wrapping on wood steering wheel at spokes
• Tags (AC Cars and Shelby American) – stamped with SVT engine # and my personal build sequence #
• Dash to transmission tunnel tubes
• Kirkey low-back vintage race seats - modified contour, leather covered with inflatable lumbar and seat heaters
• Bound carpet edges
• Rubber heel and side pads on carpet by pedals
• Degas tank – OEM Ford (modified big block tank)
• Old-style engine front cover w/v-belt pulleys for crankshaft, waterpump, and alternator
• OEM Ford dual-point distributor with Pertronix
• Pertronix coil w/spray painted yellow top and reproduction Ford decal
• OEM Ford style spark plug wires and boots
• Turkey pan for Holley 650 double-pumper
• OEM-style mechanical fuel pump
• Ford big block valve covers on adapter plates - "Cobra LeMans"
• Stelling and Hellings (small) air cleaner w/K&N filter
• Hood opening under scoop modified to fit turkey pan
• Oil catch can on firewall, S/C design from Cobra Restorers
• Girling remote brake reservoir cans
• Original style hood hinges
• Hood hinge filler panel modified to look like original radiator bracket with extra tab, post, and pin
• Hidden trunk hinges
• Dash switches, OEM Ford reproduction – ignition, lighter, lights
• Original AC-style trunk lid support rod
• Trunk lid, modified without the FFR “beak”
• Grommets, rubber, front bumper brackets
• Grommets, rubber, roll hoop
• Rectangular Lucas taillamps with appropriate markings and recontoured body at taillamp mounting pads to match rectangular lamps
• Lucas front marker lamp lenses with appropriate markings
• Windscreen support rod and bracket
• "Beclawat" windscreen tag
• Lower windscreen support bracket - attaches to bottom of frame and to top of cowl
• Windscreen wipers - Lucas (FFR)
• Windscreen washers, bottle, and pump (Tudor – from Moss Motors)
• Heater w/original style body-color defroster vents on top of front cowl and "Smiths" decals on blower motor in engine compartment
• Lucas PL headlamps
• Rockguards, chrome wire, headlamps
• Halibrand-style 15" wheels with knock-off center covers
• Avon tires
• Soft top and side curtains (AC-style)
• Tonneau cover – black vinyl
• Side curtain ferrules with support tubes showing on door interior
• Rolled cowl front and rear with exposed rivet heads on lower edge
• Front cowl grab handle (289 version)
• AC pedal covers (brake and clutch)
• Original-style throttle pedal (using overhead mount, though)
• Mechanical throttle linkage
• Side louvers painted body color
• Enamel badges (Cobra) for nose and tail
• “AC” center for steering wheel
• “Powered by Ford” badges for sides (289 style without engine size)
• Badges, AC logo for knock-off hub centers
• Wind wings with original style mounting blocks - not the clamp-on style - for use with the original style side curtains
• Sunvisors
• Windshield side post plates and gaskets
• Vintage Road America water transfer decal for the windshield
• 1965 Road America tech sticker – reproduction
• Early ‘60s reproduction Sebring 12 Hour Endurance decal
• Safetywire on wheel knock-offs
• 1965 license plate (CA Shelby manufacturer)
• Cobra - Carroll Shelby Motors license plate frame
• Foot-well ducts with period-correct pull knobs on far outside edges of dash
• Map reading light on passenger side of dash (sourced from MGA supplier)
• Engine bay battery relocation with Lucas decals and fake filler caps on battery
• Rolled door openings with exposed rivet heads on underside of roll
• Foot dimmer switch for headlamps with rubber pad (Ford OEM part)
• Vintage Ford style engine bay wiring harnesses (reproduction Ford part)
• OEM Ford style solenoid and voltage regulator (reproduction)
• OEM Ford 1G alternator with “Autolite” production ink stamp and OEM appearing brackets
• Oil cooler
• Factory-appearing placards/decals/labels
• "FoMoCo" stamps on appropriate hoses and parts
• Tecalemit grease gun in trunk

[CCRsAC]

Fakeydoo, Fakeydoo, I sure love you....

Picking up my plastic at the painter the other day - no more poptart (see post #5):

[CCRsAC]

For those of you who are in the process of building or modifying your unreal car, you absolutely have to make time to stop at the Shelby American Collection - a great little museum at Mr. Murray's shop in Boulder, CO. I was there a couple of years ago with camera and notepad in hand - sort of like allowing a convicted forger into the US Mint.



Where else will you see something like this?







For those of you with a primered and rusty six-cylinder Mustang fastback laying around - how about leaving it rough and calling it a replica of the first GT350R ever built?

[OnyxRider]

I was going to start a separate thread some time ago but here goes nothing.

What adjustments or modifications have any of the members here made to make your fakeydoo sound like a real one...err I mean authentic?

By the way in the small print I found the word used for the first time.

Booksellers Say They Bought Shakespeare's Personal Dictionary on EBay

[CCRsAC]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

I was going to start a separate thread some time ago but here goes nothing.

What adjustments or modifications have any of the members here made to make your fakeydoo sound like a real one...err I mean authentic?

By the way in the small print I found the word used for the first time.

Booksellers Say They Bought Shakespeare's Personal Dictionary on EBay

The Bard coined the term "fakeydoo"?!?!

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

The Bard coined the term "fakeydoo"?!?!

I was joking.......

[AL427SBF]

Awesome dedication to the hobby CCRsAC, you truly have a 98 point counterfeit of the highest quality. I will put my thinking cap on to see how you can snap up 2 more points! How many man-hours do you figure you've spent over the last 5 years tweaking that beauty, must be in the thousands.

[CCRsAC]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Awesome dedication to the hobby CCRsAC, you truly have a 98 point counterfeit of the highest quality. I will put my thinking cap on to see how you can snap up 2 more points! How many man-hours do you figure you've spent over the last 5 years tweaking that beauty, must be in the thousands.

It's sort of like receipts - I don't want to know.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

It's sort of like receipts - I don't want to know.

I trust most of it was fun + pride involved in doing it yourself = well worth the time expended.

[CCRsAC]

All kidding aside, it's been a wonderful journey and worth every bit of time and money invested. It would have certainly been more economical to buy a Superformance or comparable roller at the outset. But, as you pointed out, there's more to it. The missing variable in that equation are the skills I developed and the friendships I established during this project.

Sure, it's not quite right in proportion, equipment, or pedigree, but then again - like any other Cobra (original, continuation, or replica), it's just a thing. In the end, it's the intangibles that count. My life, and the lives of all the other builders of fakeydoos out there, are better for having walked our journey.

That's what this hobby means to me.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

All kidding aside, it's been a wonderful journey and worth every bit of time and money invested. It would have certainly been more economical to buy a Superformance or comparable roller at the outset. But, as you pointed out, there's more to it. The missing variable in that equation are the skills I developed and the friendships I established during this project.

Sure, it's not quite right in proportion, equipment, or pedigree, but then again - like any other Cobra (original, continuation, or replica), it's just a thing. In the end, it's the intangibles that count. My life, and the lives of all the other builders of fakeydoos out there, are better for having walked our journey.

That's what this hobby means to me.

Yep, I get it - built a 20' Gar Wood Deluxe Utility boat (30's era) years ago and had a blast doing it, took 6 years but I was employed full time. Recently retired and have all the time in the world now, double-deep two car garage and most hand & power tools. I was looking at your punch list of mods and curious what the time and materials came to - maybe I'll go down that path? I already have a feeler out on Chrome Paint but don't intend to do that myself.

[AL427SBF]

CCRsAC, do you have one of these waiting for install, it's worth a point.

[CCRsAC]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

CCRsAC, do you have one of these waiting for install, it's worth a point.

No, I didn't get one of those when he was still with us, but having one done by SAI via "autopen" now would really be in keeping with the overall fakiness of my car. I would think that'd be worth two points!

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by CCRsAC

No, I didn't get one of those when he was still with us, but having one done by SAI via "autopen" now would really be in keeping with the overall fakiness of my car. I would think that'd be worth two points!

I concur, 1 point because it's an auto-pen and 1 point because it came from SAI for an FFR install. There's your 100 point fakeydoo, post order confirmation and the fine folks here I'm sure will grant you 100 point status now

[CCRsAC]

C'mon, guys, share the pics of your creative interpretation of the legend!!!!

Remember, these cars are like boobs - real or fake, they're still fun to play with.