Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Maybe you should focus on personal insulting attacks instead of "profiling" as if my position is some kind of offense.

Oh, you're back? A few days flies by quickly around here.

Need I remind you about you having to "walk back" the "wheat and chaff" insult to all us non-CSX4000/6000 owners? And other less-than-pleassant remarks to others here. Puh-leeze.

Anyway, being "delusional" is a medical condition, not an insult.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

On the subject of real vs replica if they (Breast) get my rocks off I really dont care, just like Cobra's.

Succinctly well stated.

[Al G]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Many owners feel and see it just as I do.

You're worried about "profiling" other Shelby owners as thinking like me.? Seriously? Most Continuation owners I speak and know to do feel and think the same way on this subject as expressed to me in person, email and pm on this cite and elsewhere. Many have even thanked me for standing up for the current production Cobras by pm and email. They just don't want to enter the fray seeing it as a waste of time. They're right. Every current production owner I have met has been very nice and does not purport to claim their Cobra is an original. Except for one that I meet. All are gentlemen and respectful.

Maybe you should focus on personal insulting attacks instead of "profiling" as if my position is some kind of offense.

Really. It just gets better and better.

Carry on. As you were.

Sheesh.

I agree with Evan. I just don't have the stamina he does to defend the position so vigorously. When asked about my car I say it is a a true Shelby built in 2011. I explain about the contination series. You might be surprised how many people are already familiar with the continuation series and are glad to see one.

Mine is titled as a 1965 Shelby Cobra. In the Comments block it says Replica. Nothing shady here, all done according to Virginia law and the only way it can be done legally.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Al G

I agree with Evan ...

Actually I don't think you do and I'll explain why. You answer the question with it's "a true Shelby built in 2011". I don't think anyone here would have issue with that, giving the year makes a big difference. Evan answers the question with it's "a genuine Shelby Cobra" not mentioning the year, that is the missing crucial information. Then of course there is his plate "REAL 1", we shouldn't have to even go there. Word play to mislead with a direct tie back to "genuine Shelby Cobra".

There is also Evan's view that originals and continuations are the "wheat" and all others are the "chaff". Note that Evan has put the continuation replicas in the same class as the originals, all the others are 'garbage' by comparison. (See definition of chaff above). Do you subscribe to that view as well?

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Actually I don't think you do and I'll explain why. You answer the question with it's "a true Shelby built in 2011". I don't think anyone here would have issue with that, giving the year makes a big difference. Evan answers the question with it's "a genuine Shelby Cobra" not mentioning the year, that is the missing crucial information. Then of course there is his plate "REAL 1", we shouldn't have to even go there. Word play to mislead with a direct tie back to "genuine Shelby Cobra".

There is also Evan's view that originals and continuations are the "wheat" and all others are the "chaff". Note that Evan has put the continuation replicas in the same class as the originals, all the others are 'garbage' by comparison. (See definition of chaff above). Do you subscribe to that view as well?

I said I agree with him. Interpret that any way you like. As I also said I don't have his stamina, nor do I have the time, to respond to every challenge.

[Joe's Garage]

Because I really do care, I will keep this anonymous regarding the recipient and will not use his alias or name.

This is a great example of how one should view the hobby along with their replica. They are all good, vive la difference and appreciate the diversity, don't try to tear it down and belittle other owners just because they chose something different than you.

Originally Posted by csx4910

As someone who loves not only my "replica csx4000" as well as all other cobras, please don't lump all of us into the same category as Evan. I don't think my CSX is any better or any worse than Kirkham, SPF, ERA, Etc. I fell in love with the Cobra as a kid and frankly can appreciate anyone's car that put their hard work into building or buying done, I prefer to enjoy the beauty of all of them
Ron

Please give this some serious thought, my dear Bojangles, you too can have friends if you take this first step.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... Important part is to respect others and what they own and promote the hobby and the Cobra as it is in jeopardy of being lost to future generations based on waning interest of the upcoming generations.

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

jhv48 ... So if an original cobra is the wheat, you're calling all the rest chaff?

REAL 1 ... to me Shelby Cobras whether original or continuation are wheat. The rest is chaff.

jhv48 ... Separating wheat from chaff is to separate the part of the wheat that is valuable from that that is worthless. If that is what you meant, then you're calling all the replicas (other than yours of course) worthless?

REAL 1 ... To me Shelby Cobras Continuation or original are the wheat. The rest is the Chaff ...

Ah, do as I say, not as I do!

[Joe's Garage]

I think I'll by a wrecked & gutted csx4000, bang it out with a sledge, put in a tractor motor with 3-speed column shift, then move to Hollywood with my registered "1965 Shelby Cobra" with "Replica" stamped in the comments block

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

I think I'll by a wrecked & gutted csx4000, bang it out with a sledge, put in a tractor motor with 3-speed column shift, then move to Hollywood with my registered "1965 Shelby Cobra" with "Replica" stamped in the comments block

Joe, unfortunately, you couldn't register it here in CA as a 1965 Shelby Cobra, unless you were committing fraud. All kit cars are "specially constructed vehicles" here. Your legal title for your CSX4000 would be titled as SPCNS and the year that it was being titled. For example, my Kirkham is a 2007 SPCNS.

Of course, every state handles kit cars differently. Here in CA, they're considered "gross polluters" and require an exemption (500 allowed each year) in order to be registered and driven legally on the roads.

Kinda like a 2015 Camaro.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I think I understand now. Today you can buy a "Camaro-like" vehicle. Camaros have not been in continuous production since the 1960s. It is not really the same company after the government took it over and gave it to the union employees. It is certainly not built by the same employees with the same materials, the warranty is different, the recommended service schedule is not the same, and it is certainly not the 1960s anymore. Yet these cars do somewhat replicate the look of the Camaros of the 1960s.

I cannot believe the current incarnation of Chevy calls their cars Camaros instead of labeling a more correct term like "real Chevy Camaro-ish replica thingy".

And don't even think about starting a discussion about the new so-called Dodge Dart or VW Beetle.

The main difference here is that the new Camaro (insert Challenger, Beetle...) is a completely new, modern vehicle that harkens back to the original version with styling cues and a somewhat, roughly similar family shape. Different dimensions, newer materials, current technology, safety features and emissions certification separate it from it's ancestor by a country mile. Its a current model that is tangibly different and distinct from the original. GM could, for the sake of argument, add some trim and power train upgrades and designate a model variant as a 2016 Yenko Camaro.

If Chevy were to build a car today that replicates a 1969 Yenko Camaro in every essential way - same size, shape, bumpers, suspension, power train, etc., it would not be a 2016 Yenko Camaro. It would be a replica of a 1969 Yenko Camaro, built and sold by Chevy in 2016 as either a component vehicle less power train, or an unregisterable turnkey racer, collector or show queen.

If John Wayne's great grandson today is given the name John Wayne; and if the original man's DNA is used today to birth a clone and given the same name - same thing applies - both could legally be called John Wayne. One might have a family resemblance and one would look exactly like him, but neither of them could sign his autographs and rightfully claim to be be the REal thing.

Replace John Wayne with Elvis in the same example above. Get both new Elvises gussied up in white jumpsuits and rhinestones and they'd both be Elvis impersonators like all the others out there. Possibly with a bit more cachet to some people for actually being related - but impersonators nonetheless!

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

I think I'll by a wrecked & gutted csx4000, bang it out with a sledge, put in a tractor motor with 3-speed column shift, then move to Hollywood with my registered "1965 Shelby Cobra" with "Replica" stamped in the comments block

Prob will be better than what ya have now .

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Blue66

Prob will be better than what ya have now .

It's not important what I have, it's more important what others think I have, or what I can make them think I have

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

it's more important what others think I have, or what I can make them think I have

Ohhh ok.. So you DO want to keep up with the Jones I knew it !!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Blue66

Prob will be better than what ya have now .

I didn't think ownership or having a running Cobra-like vehicle was a requirement around here. If it is, then can we get rid of subway-riding, Petco-shopping, kitty-litter-bag-dragging NYG and his Nissan Leaf?

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I didn't think ownership or having a running Cobra-like vehicle was a requirement around here. If it is, then can we get rid of subway-riding, Petco-shopping, kitty-litter-bag-dragging NYG and his Nissan Leaf?

No, remember that we all voted and chose to become a more inclusive and welcoming club. It's the right thing to do.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

No, remember that we all voted and chose to become a more inclusive and welcoming club. It's the right thing to do.

Bummer! Because BEIGE-painted Cobras were next on my exclusionary list.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I didn't think ownership or having a running Cobra-like vehicle was a requirement around here. If it is, then can we get rid of subway-riding, Petco-shopping, kitty-litter-bag-dragging NYG and his Nissan Leaf?

Come on Francis lighten up. He has been hitting the bees nest for 20+ pages. Get some thicker skin

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Joe, unfortunately, you couldn't register it here in CA as a 1965 Shelby Cobra, unless you were committing fraud ...

Oh well, what's on the license plate is more important, can't beat the visibility

[RodKnock]

The issue of whether or not the modern CSX is a replica is a settled matter. It is, and I'll quote Evan from another thread:

"I agree. It's a technically a true replica of the original Series Cobra. No argument. See Websters."


How do you handle the questions?

However, where Evan goes "off the reservation" is when he says his car is a REAL or GENUINE Shelby Cobra. Unfortunately, there are only 998 of those.

Anyway, if his car is a replica, which he readily admits, then how in the world can it be genuine? The logic is mind-bending.

[Joe's Garage]

WOW! I don't think I've had a hit like that from a bottom feeder ever.
For those interested, I twitch the wrist every 1/2 second or so to make the lure skip on the bottom.

By the way Evan, nice try but this has been about you and only you

Originally Posted by Blue66

CSX car here to. We are so evil

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Most of you guys are A-OK in my book
I only know of one that needed a spanking, consider CC a group that advocates self-discipline though tough love