Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

You bought csx4206 as a Continuation Series csx4000 Cobra.

Why did you list your csx4206 Continuation as an ORIGINAL and not a CONTINUATION?

The prosecution rests!

Don't you just love it when your own words come back to bite you in the butt?

[RodKnock]

Evan, why stop at license plates.

Your next "arrest" should be for license plate frames too. Anyone with a license plate frame with 1965 or 1966 on it? Shame on you!

[JBCOBRA]

Ha! What a cacophony of bs! I love it. God Bless you Evan
I joined CC in 2005. This IS "Back to The Future"

[trularin]

OMG!

At first I was going to comment on the old penny, but then, what would we have to do, but to entertain ourselves?

Spout on oh wayward pontif, slosh the swirl of your musings that we may giggle and laugh.

And please, don't hold back.

[REAL 1]

Apparently no one can read here or more likely don't want to read.

Already answered the questions. End of discussion. Keep asking the same question over and over. Been asked and answered.

Yes, the "prosecution" rests. Good way of describing it. To bad the prosecution hasn't established anything as the facts, law are clear and contrary to what it attempts to establish and the Registry is too. Unfortunately the prosecution is to lost to understand or to blinded by petty enviousness to admit it is wrong.

Oh, I don't care about license plates one bit. Making a point that obviously escapes many here. What a surprise.

Rodknock you are clearly lost beyond all help. You feel free to cite "Ned the Curator".

I prefer to cite the Registry.

I'll check in later to see what comical nonsense will be spewed in response.

Flame on boys.

Comical really.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Apparently no one can read here or more likely don't want to read.

Already answered the questions. End of discussion. Keep asking the same question over and over. Been asked and answered.

Yes, the "prosecution" rests. Good way of describing it. To bad the prosecution hasn't established anything as the facts, law are clear and contrary to what it attempts to establish and the Registry is too. Unfortunately the prosecution is to lost to understand or to blinded by petty enviousness to admit it is wrong.

Oh, I don't care about license plates one bit. Making a point that obviously escapes many here. What a surprise.

Rodknock you are clearly lost beyond all help. You feel free to cite "Ned the Curator".

I prefer to cite the Registry.

I'll check in later to see what comical nonsense will be spewed in response.

Flame on boys.

Comical really.

Hey, you're the one that keeps bringing up license plates and titles. Not me. So you must care about license plates and titles. So, can you please care even less about license plates and titles and stop talking about them already?

Ya, you keep checking in, since you've already said goodbye at least twice in this thread.

I see your a man of your word.

Here's what I cite:

Facts, Fraud, Logic, Ned, Live Long and Prosper, The "Certain Liberties" 2008 Registry, The Future "Sour Grapes" 2018 5th (nope, not 50th) Edition of the World Registry, and The "I've Already Admitted Several Times My Car is a Replica, But Decided to Extend This Thread An Additional 40 Pages Just To Continue Hearing The Voices Inside My Head."

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

...Comical really.

Quite comical really

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by trularin

OMG!

At first I was going to comment on the old penny, but then, what would we have to do, but to entertain ourselves?

Spout on oh wayward pontif, slosh the swirl of your musings that we may giggle and laugh.

And please, don't hold back.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I'll check in later to see what comical nonsense will be spewed in response.

Flame on boys.

Comical really.

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Quite comical really

Since we are all into comedy, and life imitates comedy, please allow me to share this joke with you all, and please may I recommend the popcorn...


3 guys each walk into a bar.
Each of them order a drink of "Coke-cola".

The first guy, lets call him Rod, gets given his order. Its a cold glass of refreshing Pepsi-cola.
Like everyone else, enjoys the drink of coke with his mates and enjoys the nights festivities.

The second guy, lets call him Anthony Boosalis, gets given his order - Its Coke-cola in a bottle, with a red label, you know... the stuff we all know as the ORIGINAL, the AUTHENTIC, the REAL thing. He downs his drink of coke with his mates, and enjoys the nights festivities.

The third guy however, lets call him Evan, gets given a Coke Zero, drinks his Coke Zero, proclaiming to the world on top of his soap box that, HIS drink is the AUTHENTIC and REAL coke, because it's produced and licensed by the COKE-A-COLA company the original founders and creators.

Not really giving a chit, but figured it might be nice to offer a helping hand, a fourth and fifth and sixth gent, all chime in with a - "Pssst, hey Evan, you know your Coke aint REAL?" to which Evan replies - But the facts, law and registry say so...

Badda-boom!





(NB: deliberately left off "original" - I don't doubt our friend, since his 2004 slip up, has conceded that point).



PS: try the veal and don't forget to tip your waitress...

[Joe's Garage]

Evan, you bought csx4206 as a Continuation Series csx4000 Cobra.

Why did you list your csx4206 Continuation as an ORIGINAL and not a CONTINUATION?

CSX 4206 for sale. No comments on this thread please!

[trularin]

OMG, for crying out loud you guys! Don't you know there will be a tread on real license plate frames versus replica license plate frames.

What are you trying to start????

[Joe's Garage]

At this time the floor recognizes the gentlemen from California, RodKnock -

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Evan, why stop at license plates.

Your next "arrest" should be for license plate frames too. Anyone with a license plate frame with 1965 or 1966 on it? Shame on you!

As our astute colleague points out, where does one draw the line with ethical behavior regarding our prized replicas?

May I submit exhibit 'A', a fraudulent plate mounted to a typical license plate frame. We know this plate to be fraudulent as the vehicle it is affixed to is acknowledged to be a fake Shelby Cobra, registered in NJ under DMV provisions for kit cars, therefore it cannot be a REAL427.



You will note the frame is described as follows and can be bought here -

Product Description
Chrome license plate frame with COBRA at top and Carroll Shelby Motors at bottom; Chrome letters on blue background.
Reproduction of the original.
COBRA Carroll Shelby Motors License Plate Frame

The question is, if you are going balls out to misrepresent your fake cobra as a REAL427 for sale, does the fake license plate frame add monetary value to your fraud price?

[Al G]

You know Jamo has Evan on a short leash and he can't respond. Why don't you lay off? You are accomplishing nothing except carrying out a personal vendetta.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Al G

You know Jamo has Evan on a short leash and he can't respond. Why don't you lay off? You are accomplishing nothing except carrying out a personal vendetta.

Yep, I actually agree, time to let dead dogs lie. That's not to say I won't be ...



... Evan

[razerwire]

This has sunk to a new low. Dividing the enthusiast. Had corvette's in past but was attracted to cobra's after being around Norcal Shelby bunch years ago. Very friendly bunch of guys, went to open track event they put on and someone gave me ride in mustang 350 and I switched to Ford. Now we have trolls that don't contribute anything positive but just want to tear someone down. You don't see the down under group joining in, I enjoy reading their post's. What do you hope to accomplish? LET IT GO

[jhv48]

I guess we need to refresh some memories as to why so many here have dog piled onto REAL1.

1. He continues to misrepresent his Shelby Continuation (replica) Cobra to the general public (as verified by his written ad in 2004, his statements on this forum over the years and his license plate) so that "Joe Public" thinks CSX4206 is actually a 60's era legend rather than the modern day kit car it actually is.

Why he does this, we can only speculate. Too many avenues to examine. And, once caught in his deception (and caught red handed with his own worded sales ad) he continues to try and dance around the truth rather than admit his deeds and move on. That's the lawyer in him. Deny, deny, deny and hopefully he can talk his way out of it. Unfortunately for him, no one here is buying what he's selling, so the push is on.

No one is questioning whether or not continuation cars are made by Shelby.
No one is putting his or any other replica down.
No one here has any beef with any other poster about the way they represent their car.
Our beef is with him and only him. His blatant dishonesty pisses quite a few of us off and now that he has been caught by his own words, he still tries to dance his way out.

No one here has resorted to more name calling and attempts at belittling than REAL1 has. When he can't get his point across he resorts to those tactics hoping to get a rise from the poster and divert him from the topic at hand. He thinks he's a master manipulator. His tactics might work on a jury, but then again jurys are comprised largely of individuals who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. Not the case here.
So, if you want this thread to go away (this topic has been beaten to death every year since REAL1 enrolled in this forum, and, oddly enough, he always seems to be the target of discussion) all you have to do is convince REAL1 to change his claims.
But, we have seen over the last decade that that is highly unlikely.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by jhv48

I guess we need to refresh some memories as to why so many here have dog piled onto REAL1.

1. He continues to misrepresent his Shelby Continuation (replica) Cobra to the general public (as verified by his written ad in 2004, his statements on this forum over the years and his license plate) so that "Joe Public" thinks CSX4206 is actually a 60's era legend rather than the modern day kit car it actually is.

Why he does this, we can only speculate. Too many avenues to examine. And, once caught in his deception (and caught red handed with his own worded sales ad) he continues to try and dance around the truth rather than admit his deeds and move on. That's the lawyer in him. Deny, deny, deny and hopefully he can talk his way out of it. Unfortunately for him, no one here is buying what he's selling, so the push is on.

No one is questioning whether or not continuation cars are made by Shelby.
No one is putting his or any other replica down.
No one here has any beef with any other poster about the way they represent their car.
Our beef is with him and only him. His blatant dishonesty pisses quite a few of us off and now that he has been caught by his own words, he still tries to dance his way out.

No one here has resorted to more name calling and attempts at belittling than REAL1 has. When he can't get his point across he resorts to those tactics hoping to get a rise from the poster and divert him from the topic at hand. He thinks he's a master manipulator. His tactics might work on a jury, but then again jurys are comprised largely of individuals who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. Not the case here.
So, if you want this thread to go away (this topic has been beaten to death every year since REAL1 enrolled in this forum, and, oddly enough, he always seems to be the target of discussion) all you have to do is convince REAL1 to change his claims.
But, we have seen over the last decade that that is highly unlikely.

It not only is unlikely it is not happening.

First your full of it. The add was corrected to clarify what the car is and I have never misrepresented anything nor do I "continue" to do so. Your failure to understand and your misrepresentations as to what I represent make you out to be an either a liar or an idiot. Jurors are as a group very smart. I would likely excuse you from any jury I was selecting as likely not bright enough to consistently find the court room each day.

You obviously don't own a Registry. Likely just as well. You wouldn't understand what's written in it anyway.

You think that this village idiot who is repeating a mistake over and over again in a 10 year old add proves anything? Explained it already. Only village idiots keep asking the same question over and over after its been answered. Only village idiots would follow and root on another village idiot.

My position is the same as the Registry's. Will remain the same. Tough nuts.

Name calling is primarily from you, your band of bullies and the village idiot Joe's Garage. You apparently can't read or have 0 comprehension skills. Maybe both.

Yes, I'm name calling and insulting now since it appears that this is the only language you and your idiot buddies understand.

You want me to change my claim? What claim would that be? That my Shelby's a fake Cobra and not a genuine Cobra? Ok. Hold your breath please.

You accuse me of having a misleading plate? My plates accurate pal. What's your plate attached to? What is your plate... 66COBRA? Or is that plate another of your buddies here? Geez alot of you have the pretend Cobra plate its hard to keep track. Take about "continuing" misrepresentations. .

Good, you have a beef with me? Ooh, now I'm trembling in my boots. Guess what, I have a beef with you. You accuse me of Blatant dishonesty? F you. And what does your plate say again?

Stop knocking the current production Cobras and we'll get along just fine. Give no respect you sure as hell won't get respect from me.

As to Joe's "the Villiage Idiot" Garage. Yes, that's my plate. It's 100% correct. Keep being jealous and envious. Read the Registry. Oh, wait you don't own a Registry either. More to the point you don't even have a "replica" yet. It's still in pieces on the garage floor or so we have been led to believe.

Joe'sGarage now's sees himself and his band of bullies as a "guardian of the forum"? Who appointed you a guardian of anything? Gee I didn't cast any vote. I didn't know there was even a vote. Not only must you be a village idiot but you are apparently delusional also. Guardian of this forum? Really? So that means you and the peanut gallery get to dictate what my car is? Your a troll that has been allowed to go unchecked.

Yes, you are free as are you "buddies" to accept and reject what you see as a real Cobra or not a real Cobra. I am equally free to do so here (until banned which I guess will be shortly) so you too can go F yourself.

"Dog pile" is a the best description of what happened here and that I have come across. That I agree with.

What a joke.

Hey, you guys enjoy your anti Shelby orgy.

[RodKnock]

Actually, Dimis is posting from Down Under.

Please remember that Jamo did setup a sticky for folks to debate the title of this thread. Just like your TV, any one of us can either ignore or "switch channels", if we don't like what we're reading. There are plenty of threads that I won't even enter into for various reasons. Don't care, don't read.

Jamo setup a couple rules when he setup this thread.

Originally Posted by Jamo

All that being said, with the creation of this sticky, I am not going to allow a free-for-all with name calling, etc. This applies to everyone concerned.

Proceed with care...

And he didn't want the subject matter flowing into other or new threads, so he setup this thread as our "sandbox", specifically to debate "real" vs. "replica," which we have for almost 50 pages. But, Evan went ahead an established at least two other threads on essentially the same topic. And he even made a snide comment on a thread relating to the sale of 1 of the 998, which I ignored, but found out-of-bounds nonetheless.

My point, Evan did throw around plenty of insults, which I'm not going to repeat. And he did setup new threads about the same topic. So, he's not entirely blameless.

[RodKnock]

No affiliation.

I don't really follow fiberglass CSX4000 cars all that much, but I saw CSX4292 listed for sale on the saacforum.com. Seems like a reasonable deal at "asking $120,000" on an early fiberglass car, but I haven't checked the SAAC Registry for any details either:

CSX 4292 a early Vegas car with all aluminum Shelby motor

[Joe's Garage]

To further understand what has been recently stated ...

This train wreck is entirely Evan's doing. It is he who who divided the enthusiasts into classes of perceived stature, the wheat vs. the chaff (original owners by default immune from such non-sense). As a "club" I expected better, a little self-policing early on, with a strict hand, would have likely mitigated what this thread has exposed. Originals are worth a mint and belong to a true collector's cache to enjoy at their own risk, replicas are what men of reasonable means can afford and enjoy at much lesser risk. There are only two classes of Shelby Cobra, those originals of 1962 -1967, and those that replicate the originals of the 1962 -1967.

All of us are the guardians of this FORUM and what we accept as legitimate, and what we reject as fallacy is up to us.

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

To further understand what has been recently stated ...

This train wreck is entirely Evan's doing. It is he who who divided the enthusiasts into classes of perceived stature, the wheat vs. the chaff (original owners by default immune from such non-sense). As a "club" I expected better, a little self-policing early on, with a strict hand, would have likely mitigated what this thread has exposed. Originals are worth a mint and belong to a true collector's cache to enjoy at their own risk, replicas are what men of reasonable means can afford and enjoy at much lesser risk. There are only two classes of Shelby Cobra, those originals of 1962 -1967, and those that replicate the originals of the 1962 -1967.

All of us are the guardians of this FORUM and what we accept as legitimate, and what we reject as fallacy is up to us.

And you've been completely innocent in all this? You've done a fair share of name calling, probably more than Evan. Posting the same question over and over again does nothing but drive your post count up. Now you think you're a guardian of the forum?

If and when you ever finish your replica please post lots of pictures so we can see how many fake Cobra badges you have on it. Maybe you'll be one of those who puts on fake Shelby American manufacturer tags also. Cant wait to see it and start the criticism.