Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Al G

No, he's the one I wasn't including.

By insulting people, is your plan to get the thread shut down? Because that's the only reason I could see for using bad language. If you don't like the thread topic, then find another thread to read and post. That's what I'd do.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Al G

No, he's the one I wasn't including.

And you own a what? Oh never mind.
Just goes to show what happens when anyone puts themselves on a pedestal and then alienates those supporting the same hobby.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

And you own a what? .

CSX car here to. We are so evil

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Blue66

CSX car here to. We are so evil

Most of you guys are A-OK in my book
I only know of one that needed a spanking, consider CC a group that advocates self-discipline though tough love

[LMH]

Guys, I don't like the real, not real, fake thing as I said before and I'm actually guilty of insults myself but I think the personal stuff is overboard. While I think Evan says it loudly and excessively, I understand what he's saying in terms of his car and all the late CSX cars as being genuine Shelbys. They do come from SAI after all. He does have a valid point there. They don't share full bloodline with originals but it is a Shelby product.
Anyway, I just had to throw that in there.
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Guys, I don't like the real, not real, fake thing as I said before and I'm actually guilty of insults myself but I think the personal stuff is overboard. While I think Evan says it loudly and excessively, I understand what he's saying in terms of his car and all the late CSX cars as being genuine Shelbys. They do come from SAI after all. He does have a valid point there. They don't share full bloodline with originals but it is a Shelby product.
Anyway, I just had to throw that in there.
Larry

Larry, I've said this before and I'll say again, the current model Shelby Cobra replica is produced by a different/successor company, with a 30-50 year gap in production, which uses completely different materials and assembly process, different sales process (cannot be legally registered as a current year model with a warranty and driven off a dealer's lot as a complete turnkey) cannot be called "genuine" or "authentic." It just can't.

And in terms of the 50th anniversary models, they are completely Kirkhams, but for badging and a paint job. And of course, the engine and transmission.

It's a "genuine replica" or "true replica", which Evan agrees with, or even the Registry references it as "Cobra-like."

[LMH]

That's true but what I get out of his posts are his car is a real Shelby. While you're correct and I know exactly what you're saying, his car was produced by Shelby as a roller and thereby, their product. Should it serve a place in history with the original cars, no in my opinion. But that's up to Ned and crew, not me. I'm just a SAAC member but not a shot-caller.
That's how I see it anyway.
Larry

After thinking about it and RodKnock pointing it out to me, I replaced "genuine" with "real". I have an issue with applying that term to late CSX cars

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

That's true but what I get out of his posts are his car is a genuine Shelby. While you're correct and I know exactly what you're saying, his car was produced by Shelby as a roller and thereby, their product. Should it serve a place in history with the original cars, no in my opinion. But that's up to Ned and crew, not me. I'm just a SAAC member but not a shot-caller.
That's how I see it anyway.
Larry

Where I disagree, and many others, including Ned as well, is the word "genuine." It's simply is not genuine. "Genuine" implies "original" or "authentic."

The car is being reproduced or recreated by the current incarnation of Shelby American, Inc.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Where I disagree, and many others, including Ned as well, is the word "genuine." It's simply is not genuine. "Genuine" implies "original" or "authentic."

The car is being reproduced or recreated by the current incarnation of Shelby American, Inc.

Agree, all of this would have been for not had an accurate description been used. The late CSX cars are genuine Shelby replicas, that is the simple truth and sticking point all along. To say genuine Shelby leaves the unknowing thinking original, as does the REAL 1 plate.

It also doesn't help matters when you put yourself in the same league as the originals, i.e. the "wheat", while all the others are the "chaff".

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Where I disagree, and many others, including Ned as well, is the word "genuine." It's simply is not genuine. "Genuine" implies "original" or "authentic."

The car is being reproduced or recreated by the current incarnation of Shelby American, Inc.

Yeah, I do have an issue with that term too. It blurs the line between original and replica to a point that civilians won't get. I hear ya!
Larry

[cycleguy55]

The way I see it, there are a number of different distinctions we can / should all agree upon:
a) Original: Cobras sold by Shelby from 1962 to 1967 as complete cars, as documented in the SAAC Registry
b) Continuation: CSX1000, CSX4000, CSX6000, CSX7000 and CSX8000 Cobras (complete, roller or 'turnkey minus') manufactured by Shelby American Inc., Shelby Automobiles, Inc. and associated companies.
c) Replica: Any 'Cobra-like' or 'Cobra-type' car not considered an 'Original' or a 'Continuation' Cobra.
d) Shelby: cars (complete, roller or 'turnkey minus') manufactured by Shelby American Inc., Shelby Automobiles, Inc. and associated companies.

These distinctions or categories are not mutually exclusive, and a Cobra may only fit into one category (e.g. ERA or FFR Cobra would be a 'Replica'), or it may fit into multiple categories (e.g. Real1's CSX4206 is a Shelby Continuation Replica).

There may well be a number of other nuances to deal with, but I hope these are the majority of the classifications. Feel free to clarify or contribute to the above.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

The way I see it, there are a number of different distinctions we can / should all agree upon:
a) Original: Cobras sold by Shelby from 1962 to 1967 as complete cars, as documented in the SAAC Registry
b) Continuation: CSX1000, CSX4000, CSX6000, CSX7000 and CSX8000 Cobras (complete, roller or 'turnkey minus') manufactured by Shelby American Inc., Shelby Automobiles, Inc. and associated companies.
c) Replica: Any 'Cobra-like' or 'Cobra-type' car not considered an 'Original' or a 'Continuation' Cobra.
d) Shelby: cars (complete, roller or 'turnkey minus') manufactured by Shelby American Inc., Shelby Automobiles, Inc. and associated companies.

These distinctions or categories are not mutually exclusive, and a Cobra may only fit into one category (e.g. ERA or FFR Cobra would be a 'Replica'), or it may fit into multiple categories (e.g. Real1's CSX4206 is a Shelby Continuation Replica).

There may well be a number of other nuances to deal with, but I hope these are the majority of the classifications. Feel free to clarify or contribute to the above.

Nope. There are simply only two categories of Cobras:

1. Original 1960's Shelby and AC Cobras, and
2. Replicas including the Shelby Cobras (1995-present), Kirkhams, ERA's, SPF, BDR, FFR, etc.

[jhv48]

The end!

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Sometimes I find it useful to quote myself instead of the SAAC registry. ...

I prefer to quote Judge Walsh quoting Carroll Shelby -

"... Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427
S/C with the designation CSX 4000 ..."

Originally Posted by jhv48

The end!

[1ntCobra]

Authentic, True, Real...

Oh no, I hope Joe's Garage, RodKnock and Thor don't check out this Shelby dealer's website: Interested in Authentic Shelby Cobra Component Cars? or this one Planet Shelby Cobra or well any of the other Shelby dealers for that matter.

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Authentic, True, Real...

Oh no, I hope Joe's Garage, RodKnock and Thor don't check out this Shelby dealer's website: Interested in Authentic Shelby Cobra Component Cars? or this one Planet Shelby Cobra or well any of the other Shelby dealers for that matter.

I always said "it's a real Shelby, a Real Shelby Cobra REPLICA KIT CAR'

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Blue66

OK may as well keep this going. I think "kit" doesn't apply to a lot of cars. Lots of rollers out there now. So I call my CSX4 car a continuation car . It's not a kit.

What process did you follow for DMV registration

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

What process did you follow for DMV registration

65 COBRA 427 S/C.. Just like it was registered in Mich and Tx. In and out of the DMV.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Blue66

65 COBRA 427 S/C.. Just like it was registered in Mich and Tx. In and out of the DMV.

Not what it is registered as, the process followed when it was originally registered. Many have that same or very similar wording on their registrations, and most of them are not continuations

[Nedsel]

It's fun to quote Carroll and try to imagine what he may have meant by certain things he said, but let's also remember he insisted the titles to the 4000-series cars read "1965 Shelby Cobra." When pressed by the DMV about the fact that a 1965 car could clearly not realistically have been built 30 years later, Carroll responded that that was just the "model number" and had nothing to to with the year of the car's manufacture. Uh-huh. He had it all figured out.