Looking For An Alloy CSX4000? Here Ya Go

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

While it's always nice to see "brilliant and insightful" by my name, I did not write that.

Well, whoever did clearly put his finger directly on the pulse of the entire Cobra replica industry. Yessiirrreee, whoever it was is downright brilliant. Maybe it was ERAChas....

[KeithBrown]

Originally Posted by Randy Rosenberg

Fantasy Junction has a couple of nice Kirkhams available:

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/...9%20c.i.%20V-8

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/...to%20482%20c.i.

Enjoy!

Like the FIA, but always wondered why anyone would paint an Alum 427 SC Cobra Replic silver of all colors?

[GUNNAR]

Originally Posted by KeithBrown

Like the FIA, but always wondered why anyone would paint an Alum 427 SC Cobra Replic silver of all colors?

Keith, because it's mine and I liked it that way...

[KeithBrown]

Originally Posted by GUNNAR

Keith, because it's mine and I liked it that way...

Good answer and certainly you're choice. Great car - BTW even with the added weight of the paint.

[henryr]

remove the fake bidders and i would have been surprised if it had made it into the mid 60's given the photos and description.

hell, paul@kennel had to work that really nice 289fia car in the seventies for some time before someone stepped up to the plate.

might be a okay car but i now see a seller that was willing to play games.

just list it at $75k or best offer on ebay instead........if that's what it takes

[Power Surge]

On the topic of the value of the original CSX posted, keep in mind that a brand new painted alloy CSX4000 from Shelby is almost 100k. And that's just a ROLLER.

[RodKnock]

Randy, thanks for the links.

[Excaliber]

RodKnock, do you mean to say high $60's is unrealistic for a CSX because that price is to LOW?

I think high $60's would be cheap for a CSX, (even if it too had dirty carpet and engine)!

For a Kirkham, thats a nice price, perhaps a bit on the low side even, but not unheard of these days. While Southern Automotive may not enjoy the best repuation around I wouldn't discount the motor "that much". It's not like ALL their work is bad, I'm sure some of it (most?) is reasonable and good. If not, they wouldn't be in business.

By the way, that SURE looks like a High Riser dual four intake on the Kirkham car, interesting. I wonder what heads they used to match the ports, if it is a High Rise. Blue Thunder intake on Ebrock heads, I'll have to look into that a little deeper.

[Excaliber]

Well there ya go, I thought thats what you meant, $60K for a CSX. Dam, I'll sell the house NOW and live in the car if that's what it takes.


I'm not surprised, anymore, at the EXTREME low mileage we see on some, if not MANY, Cobras (CSX, ERA, Kirkham, whatever). I can't quite wrap my head around it either, but it's fairly common. Consider MY ERA. According to the mileage on the TITLE when I bought it and transferred that title to my name, the previous owner had driven the car LESS THAN 500 MILE. He owned it 3 or 4 years! I asked him about that and got a couple of impessions but no distinct answer. ONE: It was a beast to drive! Scary fast, tempermental, a real brute. Even I had difficulty getting a handle on the quirky hell raising motor. TWO: It was a terrific piece of "art" to have in the garage and show off. For some, that's enough.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Well there ya go, I thought thats what you meant, $60K for a CSX. Dam, I'll sell the house NOW and live in the car if that's what it takes.


I'm not surprised, anymore, at the EXTREME low mileage we see on some, if not MANY, Cobras (CSX, ERA, Kirkham, whatever). I can't quite wrap my head around it either, but it's fairly common. Consider MY ERA. According to the mileage on the TITLE when I bought it and transferred that title to my name, the previous owner had driven the car LESS THAN 500 MILE. He owned it 3 or 4 years! I asked him about that and got a couple of impessions but no distinct answer. ONE: It was a beast to drive! Scary fast, tempermental, a real brute. Even I had difficulty getting a handle on the quirky hell raising motor. TWO: It was a terrific piece of "art" to have in the garage and show off. For some, that's enough.

For $60K, I'd take a fiberglass CSX, let alone an aluminum one.

As for driving my car, it's just about "time allocation", if you know what I mean.

[madmaxx]

I am referring to the Kirkham, sorry for any confusion!!!! The CSX is a whole different story.

Gotta love my wife, she says no problem with two cobras, LOL. I told her maybe a cobra and gt40 but not two cobras. If a buy a Kirkham the SPF has to go.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

If a buy a Kirkham the SPF has to go.

Some might say the SPF needs to go regardless.

[Excaliber]

Actually I suspect the Kirkham simple doesn't show well in the pictures as opposed to has more miles than indicated. Take the tires for instance, buying Goodyear Bill Boards is a bit of a crap shoot. You may well get some OLD tires, that are NEW in the sense they've never been mounted. That doesn't mean their not 10 years old all ready! You can't really judge from the lettering, which yellows within a year or so. For the letters to be scuffed it only takes ONE brush with the curb. Tread depth doesn't mean near as much as "weather cracking" due to age.

Dirty engine? I can relate! Man it's hard to keep those intakes clean. All it takes is ONE test and tune session to spill some gas on the intake and BAM, you gotta a stain. Not easy to remove. But there is a LOT that could have been done to make the engine area at least more presentable. Like wipe down the dist cap and the valve covers if nothing else! Vacuum the carpet would be a nice touch, DUH!

Even the body could use a good scotch brite going over. Anyway, clearly this a guy who is taking a beating on the car, is depressed and just wants it to go away. As such the buyer is in a good position to "low ball" the price. Then spruce it up with a little elbow grease to looking brand new with a DAY of work. Could be a real deal here. The best deals on a used car always happen with a car that is DIRTY, I love to buy them that way.

The Kirkham WILL NOT reach $85K, no way, not when it's "that dirty" in THIS market.

[madmaxx]

I looked at the ebay Kirkham today. If anyone is serious about bidding PM and I will give my opinion. The car was layered with 2-3 years worth of dust so as far as the actual condition of the body I could not give details on scratches if any. I asked and he said you cant wash them with water you have to use windex? Why a car cover was not used will forever be one of those unsolved mysteries, LOL.

[mtml427]

Interesting comments. Last year I spoke with a fellow from Texas with a Kirkham built by Kirkham for 75k. It seems a Shelby may not be completely out-of-line at 90 something. For this car to get much past the 90s would be really something.

[madmaxx]

As far as this Kirkham, I feel I could build one new like this one, not like I would build it, for $75K. Note this is my opinion, no one else, I am not a proclamined cobra expert. Compared to my SPF this car was RAW. I stick with my original price point when I originally posted, this car is worth $64 to $66K in my opinion if there are no hidden engine gremlins etc.

Originally Posted by mtml427

Interesting comments. Last year I spoke with a fellow from Texas with a Kirkham built by Kirkham for 75k. It seems a Shelby may not be completely out-of-line at 90 something. For this car to get much past the 90s would be really something.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

As far as this Kirkham, I feel I could build one new like this one, not like I would build it, for $75K. Note this is my opinion, no one else, I am not a proclamined cobra expert. Compared to my SPF this car was RAW.

You probably could, and that's an interesting observation on Cobra value. I think RodKnock, bless him, touched on it recently and I was going to follow up on the thought but never did. That thought was expressed in a thread were he was talking about his unwillingness to trade his Kirkham for a car that was clearly worth more than his. I, too, would not trade my ERA for RodKnock's Kirkham even though his car is clearly worth more than mine... to almost anyone in the world but me, that is. When you have gone to the trouble of getting your car "just right" (or mostly so) for you, that tends to be worth quite the premium (but only to you).

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

You probably could, and that's an interesting observation on Cobra value. I think RodKnock, bless him, touched on it recently and I was going to follow up on the thought but never did. That thought was expressed in a thread were he was talking about his unwillingness to trade his Kirkham for a car that was clearly worth more than his. I, too, would not trade my ERA for RodKnock's Kirkham even though his car is clearly worth more than mine... to almost anyone in the world but me, that is. When you have gone to the trouble of getting your car "just right" (or mostly so) for you, that tends to be worth quite the premium (but only to you).

I could have used your blessings this past Saturday when I ran out of gas in the Kirkham, meeting the guys at Alices. Darn that gas guage.

Also, clearly I'm not dumb, I would trade my car for a BRAND NEW FERRARI or even a 2006 FORD GT.

But seriously, Patrick is correct, but fortunately, at least at the moment, neither one of us needs the cash. Knock on wood.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

As far as this Kirkham, I feel I could build one new like this one, not like I would build it, for $75K. Note this is my opinion, no one else, I am not a proclamined cobra expert. Compared to my SPF this car was RAW. I stick with my original price point when I originally posted, this car is worth $64 to $66K in my opinion if there are no hidden engine gremlins etc.

Mad, I respect your opinion and everyone will have their own on value, but, and I'm sure you're aware of this, a Kirkham roller is $57K plus the brushed finish, center stripes and pit stripes add about $10K. Billboards +1K, 42-gallon gas tank +$2K. There are some miscellaneous options installed on that Kirkham, but don't add anything significant. So, that car as a roller sans engine and tranny is $70K. Thus, for $70, you get the Kee toploader, aluminum head dual quad FE S/O engine, miscellaneous options and the fitting of the headers for free.

It may sell for $65K, but I will tell you that for that price range, I just may have to buy it.

[madmaxx]

Good info!! Billboards have slight cracking take off $1,000, one side pipe has small dent and side pipe paint is not continuous, I guess the new owner can get another can of oven paint. Body is so filthy I cannot tell how many scratches are actually there, maybe none, but what I dont know I assume. Engine leaking oil and if it only has 500 miles it was the hardest 500 miles but possilbe and that is what the odometer said. I would not give 1 penny over $65K. I would rather spend $80K and know exactly what I have with a documented engine build. This engine may have a documented build but I never saw any paperwork and it was not offered. The block was supplied by SA and the owner supplied heads and bolts? The only thing that impressed me was the aluminium body, (my wife thought it was scratched, I told her that is a brushed finish LOL) I loved and was memorized by the body and the craftsmanship other than that the car was not a standout to me so the only thing that can make it a standout is a low price. The heads were painted blue, I guess they were aluminium. You forgot to mention in your price you are getting a NEW car, this was a 2005 build. Buddy noticed slight rust marks on the windsheild upright. Like I said for mid 60's you cant go wrong above that is diminishing value. Sheet if you cannot clean a car up to show how much do you want sell or just passify somone else wanting you to sell??

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Mad, I respect your opinion and everyone will have their own on value, but, and I'm sure you're aware of this, a Kirkham roller is $57K plus the brushed finish, center stripes and pit stripes add about $10K. Billboards +1K, 42-gallon gas tank +$2K. There are some miscellaneous options installed on that Kirkham, but don't add anything significant. So, that car as a roller sans engine and tranny is $70K. Thus, for $70, you get the Kee toploader, aluminum head dual quad FE S/O engine, miscellaneous options and the fitting of the headers for free.

It may sell for $65K, but I will tell you that for that price range, I just may have to buy it.