ADR 3/03 seats - Page 7

DaveW · #1 (**permalink**) 10-05-2012, 02:18 AM

I'm so confused,

Ben,
when do you have to register before time runs out on the Smart seats ?

Dave

Modena · #2 (**permalink**) 10-05-2012, 04:23 AM

As I understand it in Victoria you have to comply with all current ADR's at the time of registration. However you get three years "grace" from the "major" start point of the build, so say you purchase your chassis in Jan 2011 and then an ADR changes in June 2012, and you register in Jan 2014, you would not have to comply with the changed ADR from June 2012 because it changed within three years of your initial "major" purchase. If your three years runs out before reg then you can apply (through engineer) for an extension. Of course this is only relevant if there are actually ADR changes while you are building.

Putting it more simply, you need to comply with what was current at time of chassis purchase, but once 3 years has gone unless you get an extension then you need to comply with whatever has become current at the time of reg. Again, this is for Victoria, and is my understanding.

So for me the only way my Smart seats will run out is if I am not registered by September 2014 (chassis purchased September 2011) AND the ADR changes AND the seats do not comply with what will presumably be ADR3/04.

If the ADR doesn't change, then the seats will stay current until it does, and even if it does change it does not mean they become null and void depending on what changes in the ADR. When ADR3/02 was revised to 3/03 the only change was relating to the headrests and height, which is why the Smart seats are legal now even though the design has not changed since the 3/02 days - even the 3/02 ones meet the 3/03 specifications.

Not sure why you're confused Dave

spookypt · #3 (**permalink**) 10-10-2012, 11:49 PM

Soz Mike you must have been typing the same time as me. We pretty much said the same thing!

spookypt · #4 (**permalink**) 10-11-2012, 12:27 AM

Lots of accessories for these seats too. With mine I even squeezed the side wings in to keep me even more snug.....and to keep out the larger test pilots!

GTS · #5 (**permalink**) 11-08-2012, 07:22 PM

Hi Guys,
My name is Stefan and I supply seats to the classic car market since 2003 and just got an email yesterday about the concerns about ADR XX/XX.
So if I understand it correctly- forgive I am a German living in Texas which explains some....
Seats have to be min 850 mm from base to to of the headrest, there can not be more space between the headrest and seat max 60 mm, headrest have to be min 170 mm wide and min 115 mm tall.
Am I so far correct- tried to access the Australian Gov site but got always blocked out- who wants a German Texan....
All seats have to go through a certification/approval test ?
So far we have seats that exceed the 850 mm, headrests are 250 mm wide and 140 mm tall.
So how can we help ?
We have supplied many customers in Australia, but mostly classic cars that refitted our seats into their cars, or does that rule also affect older cars after restorations.?
Thank you all for the input.I had to come up here in the US with a few ideas as they wanted to ban classic seats from drivers ed or clubracing when used with 5 points.
with kind regards Stefan GTSclassics under ClassicCarSeats.com

justcobra · #6 (**permalink**) 11-29-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS

Hi Guys,
My name is Stefan and I supply seats to the classic car market since 2003 and just got an email yesterday about the concerns about ADR XX/XX.
So if I understand it correctly- forgive I am a German living in Texas which explains some....
Seats have to be min 850 mm from base to to of the headrest, there can not be more space between the headrest and seat max 60 mm, headrest have to be min 170 mm wide and min 115 mm tall.
Am I so far correct- tried to access the Australian Gov site but got always blocked out- who wants a German Texan....
All seats have to go through a certification/approval test ?
So far we have seats that exceed the 850 mm, headrests are 250 mm wide and 140 mm tall.
So how can we help ?
We have supplied many customers in Australia, but mostly classic cars that refitted our seats into their cars, or does that rule also affect older cars after restorations.?
Thank you all for the input.I had to come up here in the US with a few ideas as they wanted to ban classic seats from drivers ed or clubracing when used with 5 points.
with kind regards Stefan GTSclassics under ClassicCarSeats.com

Stefan.
I am the gentleman who sent you a email about the height of your seats and the freight costs to Australia.

Please read this forum in total and there is reference to the our Federal Government requirement website which will enable yourself to be enchanted with our mandatory requirements for newly built Ac cobra's.

The Kit car industry in the USA has not got the harsh rules as imposed/compared by our fathers downunder!

Sure -older cars what ever the marques should not be a problem in respect to retro fit of your traditional looking seats that do not have to meet out 850mm Rule.

Regards.Stanley Kilmore Victoria Australia.

boxhead · #7 (**permalink**) 11-12-2012, 04:08 PM

They look good, may get some for Rally car.

Modena · #8 (**permalink**) 11-12-2012, 04:40 PM

Tenrocca do you have any more detailed measurements? Need to know the width at the back of the seat, 530mm is nowhere near close to fitting, you need something more like ~430mm at the rear of the base (for a CR)

Tenrocca · #9 (**permalink**) 11-12-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Modena

Tenrocca do you have any more detailed measurements? Need to know the width at the back of the seat, 530mm is nowhere near close to fitting, you need something more like ~430mm at the rear of the base (for a CR)

Ill see what I can do - but that 530 is the very widest point on the base (prob side bolsters). I know the mach 1 seat tapers significantly towards the back (and is an easy\perfect fit). Some seats that come up as bigger on than these on the dimension drawing have been squeezed in in the past so well worth investigating. Ill keep you posted.

Cheers

Zedn · #10 (**permalink**) 11-13-2012, 01:25 AM

Great info. Thanks!

Smokeyr67 · #11 (**permalink**) 11-13-2012, 02:11 AM

G'day guys,

I've been following a thread on OZ Clubbies, and it looks like a complient seat with a 400mm width will be available soon.

OZ Clubbies link

Jethrow · #12 (**permalink**) 11-14-2012, 09:47 PM

Hi Mike,

I just bought some of those Kirkey Vintage seats too, tho I got mine via Rocket. Took about 3 months and price was reasonable.

I want to do something similar with the headrests - what actual headrest unit are you thinking of adapting to these seats. I have been looking around for a thin unit (to match the thin seats) but no luck as yet.

Aussie Mike · #13 (**permalink**) 11-14-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jethrow

Hi Mike,

I just bought some of those Kirkey Vintage seats too, tho I got mine via Rocket. Took about 3 months and price was reasonable.

I want to do something similar with the headrests - what actual headrest unit are you thinking of adapting to these seats. I have been looking around for a thin unit (to match the thin seats) but no luck as yet.

Nothing off the shelf. I was just going to make an upright from a couple of lengths of stainless rod and then weld on stainless plate for the head rest section. I'll then pad that wth foam and get it trimmed the same as the seat.

The mounts on the back of the seat will be a couple of sockets for the rods to go into. Probably retained with a couple of grub screws.

Cheers

Jethrow · #14 (**permalink**) 11-15-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Mike

Nothing off the shelf. I was just going to make an upright from a couple of lengths of stainless rod and then weld on stainless plate for the head rest section. I'll then pad that wth foam and get it trimmed the same as the seat.

The mounts on the back of the seat will be a couple of sockets for the rods to go into. Probably retained with a couple of grub screws.

Cheers

Ok Thanks. I was thinking similar tho maybe all in aluminium to match the seat.

Aussie Mike · #15 (**permalink**) 11-15-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jethrow

Ok Thanks. I was thinking similar tho maybe all in aluminium to match the seat.

I may yet make them from alloy but I was thinking stainless for the extra strength without the bulk.

Smokeyr67 · #16 (**permalink**) 11-14-2012, 10:26 PM

Hi,

I've tried to post this before, but had some issues, so I hope this doesn't double post.

Anyhow, on Oz Clubbies there is a thread in the technical discussion section about ADR 3/03 seats, the upshot is that there is a manufacturer of compliant seats with a base of 400mm, and they will be available soon.

Shane

DaveW · #17 (**permalink**) 11-14-2012, 10:45 PM

Smokey,
Do you have a link to this thread ?

Dave

Smokeyr67 · #18 (**permalink**) 11-14-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveW

Smokey,
Do you have a link to this thread ?

Dave

ADR 3/03 seats

This is the one - to cut to the chase go to the last page.

Smokeyr67 · #19 (**permalink**) 11-14-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveW

Smokey,
Do you have a link to this thread ?

Dave

Sorry Dave, but if I try and post a link it says it has to be approved by a mod - maybe something with me being a newb?

Anyhow, ozclubbies.com.au, technical discussion, ADR 3/03 compliant seats - availability, go to the last page.

suthol · #20 (**permalink**) 11-15-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokeyr67

Sorry Dave, but if I try and post a link it says it has to be approved by a mod - maybe something with me being a newb?

Anyhow, ozclubbies.com.au, technical discussion, ADR 3/03 compliant seats - availability, go to the last page.

As an admin on Ozclubbies I can assure that you are validated ( none outstanding )

Anyway the guy you are looking for is Alan who has a Facebook page here http://www.facebook.com/TriPodCars?ref=ts&fref=ts

He's done a rather interesting 3 wheeler