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12-05-2021, 12:15 AM
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then David Hart was cheated by Fran Kress…
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12-06-2021, 01:45 PM
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12-06-2021, 04:29 PM
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Are there any other CSX2xxx Cobras that have a history as convoluted and complicated as 2049's ??
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12-07-2021, 12:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xb-60
Are there any other CSX2xxx Cobras that have a history as convoluted and complicated as 2049's ??
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yes, many...every time the parts and the papers went different ways after a car was wrecked... |
12-07-2021, 06:06 AM
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I made some pics at SPA 2008 of one of the existing 2136 cars.
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12-07-2021, 06:10 AM
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Bit closer
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12-07-2021, 07:39 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and Scratch 427 S/C
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then David Hart was cheated by Fran Kress…
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As I heard it Fran did not sell to the Harts, car was brokered. |
12-07-2021, 07:50 AM
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As I heard it Fran did not sell to the Harts, car was brokered.
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Originally Posted by Nedsel
Not necessarily. We are aware that Fran Kress was aware a lawsuit was going on to declare his title to 2049 invalid. Curt Vogt acted as an agent on his behalf but we do not know if he was advised of the ongoing legal wranglings.
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what Ned wrote... |
12-07-2021, 08:29 AM
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Hmmmm the plot thickens
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12-07-2021, 09:08 AM
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12-07-2021, 12:56 PM
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interesting, the accident was November 16, 1963…., why is the court document dated March 1967…???
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12-07-2021, 03:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xb-60
Are there any other CSX2xxx Cobras that have a history as convoluted and complicated as 2049's ??
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Originally Posted by peterpjb
yes, many...every time the parts and the papers went different ways after a car was wrecked...
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Yeah.... but this thread's gone zero to near f-i-v-e h-u-n-d-r-e-d !! posts in no time flat!
A record for an Introduction Forum post  ?
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12-07-2021, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by USC_COWBOY
I have no problem with Abidin ownership prior to Paul's first Cobra entry at Cotati 7/27/1963 the car is listed as #246. My quest is after that date wherein there is not one reference ever to Abidin, Nada!
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If there's a concession that Al Abidin owned 2049 prior to 7/27/'63, and now there's a document implying (strongly) that he still owned what was left of it in 1967, does that put the main topic of this thread - Paul Cunningham's ownership - to rest?
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12-07-2021, 06:57 PM
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There are still questions asked that have not been answered.
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12-08-2021, 09:47 AM
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12-08-2021, 10:02 AM
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12-08-2021, 10:20 AM
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I’ll add another post as their are people on here that have issues with editing comments.
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Nothing at all wrong with editing comments as long as it's not done to change the narrative after people respond to the original post.
Read: Unscrupulous Modifiers And Other Evil Doers!!!
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12-08-2021, 10:22 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
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Originally Posted by CompClassics
I am still waiting for an answer as to why there is no bill of sale between Ann Abidin and Lanse Haselrig in the court documents?? There is a Promissory note for $400 that was always touted as a sales agreement but reading the back of the agreement it defines a completely different arrangement and defines why Al Abindin’s car is at Lanse’s shop in March of 1967.
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Interesting, so what is on the front side of the note?
From the back side of the note, it looks like Al Abidin wanted his car repaired. Is it possible that the Abidin family got sticker shock at the estimated repair cost and Hasselrig just offerred to buy the car from them to part out? In which case Hasselrig could have gotten the title legally?
Perhaps Al had put away some money over the 3 years to repair his Cobra, but then upon seeing the what the real repair cost would be, decided it would be far cheaper to buy another used Cobra or some other car. |
12-08-2021, 11:00 AM
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12-08-2021, 12:05 PM
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The front side of the note has any indication of a sale of 2049, it looks like Hasselrig May have obtained a $400 loan from Abidin. The note clearly states that the car belongs to Al Abidin and that Hasselrig is signing good the promissory note that he will repair it. There is no bill of sale and there is not paperwork in the court case that indicates a transfer of ownership has taken place.
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OK, so Hasselrig is borrowing $400 on March 8th and promising to fix "Al's car" on or prior to March 25th. If that is the case, I would think the "Al's car" that needs to be fixed is unlikely to be his Cobra. Unless someone with restoration or body shop experience might be able to verify that it would be possible to repair the Cobra in that shape in 17 days? Perhap Al's car was a another different car he damaged, maybe his Edsel Stationwagon, which just needed a new fender after the mishap backing out of the family garage.
It would seem that if Hasselrig was intending to repair the Cobra, he would not be borrowing $400 from Ann, but requiring a downpayment of many thousand dollars from the Abidin family to source a new body and many other items from either AC cars and/or SAI. And then waiting many months for delivery of the body to arrive from England.
Could it be that the Abidin family were using the opportunity for Hasselrig to buy the wrecked Cobra from them for $400 as an incentive to get Hasselrig to quickly repair Al's other car?
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