CSX 3000's at my local Ford dealer

[mrmustang]

Just for clarification:

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

These cars WERE built on old frames that were stored in Shelby's Gardena warehouse.

The frames were not 60's or even 70's, 80's constructed, but found to have been built by McClusky and left outside to "age" them, under contract with CS. CS reportedly had some unused MSO/MCO's for unassigned CSX3000 series chassis that he attempted to attach to these frames and build them as "lost" originals. Some NOS parts were sourced from various suppliers, some items reproduced and "aged" like the frames for authenticity. Unfortunately, CS got caught with his pants down, and that is the reason why they could not legally be sold as turn key cars for road use. Plenty of folks (two in Japan come to mind) who have tried to rewrite the history of them to suit their specific wants and needs, but they all eventually get caught in the lie that they perpetuate.

In regards to using Montana to get these on the road, I have no experience with the process, so I can't extrapolate further.


Bill S.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Just for clarification:



The frames were not 60's or even 70's, 80's constructed, but found to have been built by McClusky and left outside to "age" them, under contract with CS. CS reportedly had some unused MSO/MCO's for unassigned CSX3000 series chassis that he attempted to attach to these frames and build them as "lost" originals. Some NOS parts were sourced from various suppliers, some items reproduced and "aged" like the frames for authenticity. Unfortunately, CS got caught with his pants down, and that is the reason why they could not legally be sold as turn key cars for road use. Plenty of folks (two in Japan come to mind) who have tried to rewrite the history of them to suit their specific wants and needs, but they all eventually get caught in the lie that they perpetuate.

In regards to using Montana to get these on the road, I have no experience with the process, so I can't extrapolate further.


Bill S.

Correct. The frames in the warehouse were not 60's frames but were the leftovers of the batch of controversial "completion" cobras from the 90s? They were, however, assigned VINS and had MSOs signed by Shelby. Original Cobras? No. Legit cobras? We'll argue that forever, but not again and not here please as nothing new can possibly be added.

The frames were not the reason they couldn't be sold. The primary reason was that completed cars couldn't.

[Harpoon PV2]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Just for clarification:



The frames were not 60's or even 70's, 80's constructed, but found to have been built by McClusky and left outside to "age" them, under contract with CS. CS reportedly had some unused MSO/MCO's for unassigned CSX3000 series chassis that he attempted to attach to these frames and build them as "lost" originals. Some NOS parts were sourced from various suppliers, some items reproduced and "aged" like the frames for authenticity. Unfortunately, CS got caught with his pants down, and that is the reason why they could not legally be sold as turn key cars for road use. Plenty of folks (two in Japan come to mind) who have tried to rewrite the history of them to suit their specific wants and needs, but they all eventually get caught in the lie that they perpetuate.

In regards to using Montana to get these on the road, I have no experience with the process, so I can't extrapolate further.


Bill S.

I was hoping someone would bring up the frames, AC never sent out any frames, and Shelby didn't build bubkis! The vin plates do deserve some ink. In 1964 Shelby was trying to homologate the 427 as was Ferrari with their big engine car. The FIA had already been burned by the 260 Cobra and the GTO, so they sent reps to LA and Maranello, and told Carroll and Enzo to put up or shut up, they both had to shut up. Carroll had already made a bunch of the Shelby Inc tags to bypass, AC Ltd Thames Ditton. Those are the tags on the fake S/C cars. He would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling kids! Cheers, Dennis

[CompClassics]

“Carroll had already made a bunch of the Shelby Inc tags to bypass, AC Ltd Thames Ditton. Those are the tags on the fake S/C cars. He would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling kids! Cheers, Dennis[/quote]”



So you are saying that tags were already made up during the 1960s to support the completion chassis? By already made up I am under the belief that the chassis numbers were already stamped or scribed with their individual CSX numbers? I am sure that blank chassis tags would have been readily available but pre-stamped chassis tags? Why when they were typically hand scribed to begin with? Do you have evidence of this?

[Harpoon PV2]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

“Carroll had already made a bunch of the Shelby Inc tags to bypass, AC Ltd Thames Ditton. Those are the tags on the fake S/C cars. He would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling kids! Cheers, Dennis

”



So you are saying that tags were already made up during the 1960s to support the completion chassis? By already made up I am under the belief that the chassis numbers were already stamped or scribed with their individual CSX numbers? I am sure that blank chassis tags would have been readily available but pre-stamped chassis tags? Why when they were typically hand scribed to begin with? Do you have evidence of this?[/quote]

The VIN plates were supposedly made to fool the FIA, into thinking Shelby had the cars on the way from AC, he didn't. The big question is, are there any VINs still out there? Of course, it could just be Carroll, trying to make up a story of how he just happened to have the unassigned numbers laying around? The more I think about it, the more I think it probably was the last explanation! Cheers, Dennis