Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia

[CobraEd]

It is cold here in the DC area today. I run Drag radials on my Cobra and in the cold weather, they are no better than regular tires. I just blow them away. Also, . . My son has a modified factory supercharged 03 Cobra Mustang with the modern wide/low profile Goodyear F1 tires. They are OK in the summer, but in the cold, he also just blows them away too. I believe that the Ferrari will have similar tires to my sons F1s. If the Ferrari runs in the cold like today, he will have terrible traction just like the Cobra. The only way his traction/launch control can offset the lack of traction is by cutting WAY back on the throttle.


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[ACademic]

Originally Posted by Buzz

It's a very BIG money bet dudes! For the players, it's not about level playing field Cobra vs Ferrari, it's about going home with the marbles!

So what you're saying is that the Cobra owner is a horrible negotiator on the terms of the race.

[blitzforce]

Originally Posted by ACademic

So what you're saying is that the Cobra owner is a horrible negotiator on the terms of the race.

When we first made the bet, I told Tom that I had slicks on the car and that i would run slicks and that he had to stick to his stock tires. Later on after he started asking around he then tried to stipulate that they had to be the exact same slicks at were on the car at the time of the bet. The tires I had on the car at the time of the bet were not full slicks, they were grooved slicks and I had every intention of putting on full slicks for the race. He however was obviously under the impression that we could put new tires on, but that they had to be the exact same, thus not allowing me to run full slicks as we agreed in the beginning of the bet. He killed it on the track today ran a few 11.2's and a bunch of 11.3's and I don't want that to influence this, but I have given him every edge possible when we negotiated the terms of this bet, like not making him use a tree so he wouldn't redlight and have a slow start etc. I feel like i have been very fair the whole way through, so I think I should be allowed to run slicks as I had intended in the beginning, but Tom doesn't agree. I really want to do this race, and its the only thing that has gotten me excited this year, I just want it to be fair, and I feel like me running slicks like agreed would make it a fair bet. But Tom doesn't agree, so I might just end up getting ****ed and have to run the road course tires i got on there now, unless we can agree on some fair arbitration...

[GEE TEE]

I guess Blitz made it back and was faster on the post button than me. Lets hope his timing is good on the track too.

[MAStuart]

What mph did he run thanks.

[GEE TEE]

Tommy's very first run was 11.29 @ 131mph. I don't know what his better times were.

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by GEE TEE

Tommy's very first run was 11.29 @ 131mph. I don't know what his better times were.

I quietly predicted 11.50's, so Tommy showed more courage keeping his foot into the throttle than I personally gave him credit for. With some practice he could knock off another 10th or two. What was the D/A at the track? That could factor into not knocking on the 10's door.

blitzforce, you explained your position very honestly. You have my respect for that. Too bad Tommy won't level the playing field. Even with slicks you would still have to cut a solid 60' time and not snap a half-shaft to run consistently deep into the 11's.

[tommygold]

If you drop my best (11.22) and worst (12.22) times, then my average was around 11.45. It tells you everything you need to know that Blitz came to the track recognizing he was going to race in his existing tire type, watches my car, and immediately goes back to saying he gets to change the tires. I won't detail all the things Blitz is leaving out as he -- for unknown reasons -- tries to persuade this forum that he should get to change his tires.

I also don't understand this repeated claim from some on the forum that Blitz should be allowed to run on other tires to make it "more fair." The bet was our existing equipment, and there was never anything fair about this from the beginning: I have to win 3 in a row. That's not intended as a fair test of the two cars. It's a recognition that I have the better car and Blitz thought he could get in one great run. Big bets generally aren't intended by either participant to be "fair" -- each things s/he has an edge; hence the bet.

Track temperature was around 45, I'd say. Very cold. Warming up my tires seemed to pick me up around .2 seconds. They also only prepped the first 60 feet of the track. On a warmer Vegas track, fully prepped, and now with some experience (though I do almost nothing in the race) I should be able to get towards 11.1.

[DMXF]

Originally Posted by tommygold

The bet was our existing equipment,

Tommy, if you look at your very first post that started this thread, the evidence shows you claiming Blitz would run "slicks", so you knew that's what you were looking to compete against. Now you want him to run hard dirt track tires... those are far from slicks.

[blitzforce]

Originally Posted by DMXF

Tommy, if you look at your very first post that started this thread, the evidence shows you claiming Blitz would run "slicks", so you knew that's what you were looking to compete against. Now you want him to run hard dirt track tires... those are far from slicks.

I also told Tom i would bet him 100,000 that i would pass a lie detector test that asked me if i believed that I would be able to run new slicks of my choice the day of the race considering i didn't have real slicks on my car at the time and Tom declined this bet. This is the text transcript a day after we had already booked the bet and hours after he had posted the bet on this forum. Curious what your thoughts are.

1/30 – 7:01pm
Dan: “We putting new tires on anyway. I’ll get the ones least likely
to crash. I’m not trying to die for this bet”
Tom: “Bull****, bull****, bull**** – you were the one saying we had
to stick to our existing tires. You can get new ones of the same
tires that are going to drive your ass straight into a wall. But the
EXACT same ones.”
Dan: “I said u have to run factory stock showroom Ferrari tires they
sold u the car with. I can obviously put new slicks on as well”
Tom: “You said ALL the equipment stays the same – you can put on new
ones of the EXACT same slicks jackass”
Tom: “Not some new and better equipment”
Dan: “Slicks are all the same”
Dan: “I’ve got racing slicks”
Tom: “Well then you obviously have no issue with not cheating and
using the same exact ones. No changes!”
Tom: “If you get tires that are different then so do I and you are so
miserably f’d then that you might as well just drive straight into a
wall – you can put a clean set of the exact same tires on so you don’t
***** about a blowout; that’s it”
Dan: “U get stock tires I get slicks, it’s pretty simple”
Tom: “You are full of **** and that you have to try and cheat now
shows how sad and cheap your life has become – all the equipment stays
the same and you know it”
END

[Don]

Road & Track Road Test Summary for the 458 in Dec '10

11.0 @ 128.5

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by blitzforce

1/30 – 7:01pm
Dan: “We putting new tires on anyway. I’ll get the ones least likely
to crash. I’m not trying to die for this bet”
Tom: “Bull****, bull****, bull**** – you were the one saying we had
to stick to our existing tires. You can get new ones of the same
tires that are going to drive your ass straight into a wall. But the
EXACT same ones.”
Dan: “I said u have to run factory stock showroom Ferrari tires they
sold u the car with. I can obviously put new slicks on as well”
Tom: “You said ALL the equipment stays the same – you can put on new
ones of the EXACT same slicks jackass”
Tom: “Not some new and better equipment”
Dan: “Slicks are all the same”
Dan: “I’ve got racing slicks”
Tom: “Well then you obviously have no issue with not cheating and
using the same exact ones. No changes!”
Tom: “If you get tires that are different then so do I and you are so
miserably f’d then that you might as well just drive straight into a
wall – you can put a clean set of the exact same tires on so you don’t
***** about a blowout; that’s it”
Dan: “U get stock tires I get slicks, it’s pretty simple”
Tom: “You are full of **** and that you have to try and cheat now
shows how sad and cheap your life has become – all the equipment stays
the same and you know it”
END

So THIS is how millionaires negotiate. Taking good notes.

[Silverback51]

Why are people referring to the Goodyear BB's as "crappy tires"??

[dcdoug]

Nice times Tommy. You too Gee Tee, especially for a rookie. CzarSmith too, but you're not a rook either. I can't wait till I can cross that bridge at some point. As for you Mdman, you got to get that car sorted so you stop breaking it!

[tommygold]

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzM11mUrjw

DMFX, thanks but Blitz told me he had "slicks" because he believed that's what he was driving -- what mattered to me was that we would run our existing equipment. I was racing my car against his, not how he could improve his car.

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzM11mUrjw

Like playing a video game. Launching and controlling my car through the first three gears in a night and day difference from what that video shows of the 458. The skill level of the Cobra driver is going to have to be at another level. Nice run BTW...

[RET_COP]

131mph is impressive Tom. It must have been slippery and your traction control was working hard because 131mph is easily in the 10s.
I understand about the bet.
We just don't normally get this kind of situation and I think all of us would like to see something close to the same tire compound for our (can't wait !!!!) post discussions, But I understand completely where you are coming from.
Lou

[tommygold]

Hi Lou. Thanks. I'm very glad to run on a tree and with drag tires. That would be a lot of fun and really interesting to see. But that's not what we were betting. In terms of my best time, I had one run at 11.22 at 132.5. So I do hope that in better conditions I could bring it down, and maybe even to the 10s. Would be amazing.

Don, the tracks have definite rules. Even with waivers, they set limits. Hence today's ejection.

My best, tom

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Hi Lou. Thanks. I'm very glad to run on a tree and with drag tires. That would be a lot of fun and really interesting to see. But that's not what we were betting. In terms of my best time, I had one run at 11.22 at 132.5. So I do hope that in better conditions I could bring it down, and maybe even to the 10s. Would be amazing.

Don, the tracks have definite rules. Even with waivers, they set limits. Hence today's ejection.

My best, tom

I'm feeling very good about my original vote of "The 458 Italia is unbeatable, wins all 3 "

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Here you go: [

...like a point-and shoot camera.