Drag race - Kirkham 65 side-oiler vs Ferrari 458 italia

[STL Mark]

If he gets a couple of practice runs in - you are toast.

Save yourself the hassle and the money, pay the exit fee, save your paint, and send your old buds here at club cobra a fact finding fee.

Toast.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Ok all, with it disclosed as a 482 s/o (I'm sure there was no engine change), does that change anyone's views?

Not mine. Once I heard the name Keith Craft, then I assumed that the engine was a 482. If it were a 496 or even 527, then the equation changes to a certain extent. The dual quads, if not setup properly, could be BIG positive in your favor.

I think the heads are probably the "typical" Stage 2 ported Edelbrocks, but if they were Stage 3 heads, then Dan could have a BIG positive, depending if it were properly matched cam.

[tommygold]

Thanks RK. So folks, is it dual quads and state 2 or state 3 heads?

And STL Mark, I can't tell who you think should be buying out. You voted that I would lose, but because I would mess it up.

Test runs set for Maryland International Raceway Tuesday morning. One of your own already plans to be on hand. Video is probable.

[Excaliber]

One vs Two carbs on an FE has been a back and forth controversy for years. With both sides posting numbers and data to show why or why not one or two is better.

I'm in the two is better camp myself. The fuel distribution per cylinder is improved. In EITHER CASE the main thing is to make sure it's dialed in for the motor.

Tommy, for me the cube's dont change the picture that much. The basic problem with Cobras is how much of it can you hook up? I can't go 100% throttle on mine until somewhere around 80 mph and third gear. So, until then it wouldn't make much difference if I had 500 or 800 horse. That's why I've said the race will be the LAST 1/8th mile, not the first. At the end is where the really BIG horse power and cubes can finally be unleashed.

Goodyear Bill Boards? Pfffft, no chance he can hook the power up early.

[CoolCarl]

This is a very exciting thread. But why?

Is it the amount of money involved?

Is it the size of the egos?

Is it Ford vs. Ferrari that dates back to the 60's?

Is it 60's tech. vs. modern tech?

I think its a combination of all of them that makes this thread so compelling.

Any other reason for this much interest?

[Sinclair Snake]

Originally Posted by CoolCarl

This is a very exciting thread. But why?

Is it the amount of money involved?

Is it the size of the egos?

Is it Ford vs. Ferrari that dates back to the 60's?

Is it 60's tech. vs. modern tech?

I think its a combination of all of them that makes this thread so compelling.

Any other reason for this much interest?

I am interested in the old school vs new school, and the money involved. The ego's help alittle too, but if it was just two big ego's racing a couple of cobras for $500 bucks, it would'nt have made it to page 2.

[STL Mark]

Originally Posted by tommygold

And STL Mark, I can't tell who you think should be buying out. You voted that I would lose, but because I would mess it up.

Sorry T - you're a stand up guy for posting here, but new evidence has come in since I voted. That Keith Craft big block 482 with dual quads and slicks will crush you. Even a novice driver would be able to run low 11s with a couple practice runs before the event. He won't even have to hook up. Just a semi-aggressive launch that doesn't spin the tires, and some assertive shifting without missing a gear - and he'll win. If I could change my vote - I would.

Now, you may get close to driving past him as you cross the finish line, but if he stays in it hard - toast. Cheers and good luck.

[undy]

Dan!

Repeat after me........ D-R-A-G ..... R-A-D-I-A-L-S !

I've lifted both front tires before on a street launch with my Keith Craft, Pond aluminum block, 482", dual quad, stage II head Cobra. They CAN hook well, well enough to twist the ends on some 9" 28 spline axles I've never had my car to the track though, all the carnage has been generated by street driving.

I'm running 315/35/17 M/T ET drag radials. They, or any other reputable drag radial, will hook better than any Billboards or "track type" tire could ever hope to do at the drags. The 35 aspect ratio series drag radials actually seems to do right well in the twisties too, much better than a regular street tire. They in no way can be considered "slicks" either.

[Voyager]

I agree with undy. I don’t see the Cobra hooking up off the line without drag radials.

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by tommygold

Thanks RK. So folks, is it dual quads and state 2 or state 3 heads?

And STL Mark, I can't tell who you think should be buying out. You voted that I would lose, but because I would mess it up.

Test runs set for Maryland International Raceway Tuesday morning. One of your own already plans to be on hand. Video is probable.

can the video be other than on Utube, sorry guys, Utube is banned in China? Just askin' John AKA, tin-man Zhuhai, P.R.C

[Jamo]

Let's cut to the chase...you guys gonna have umbrella girls?

[Intouch]

here's my superformance with a roush 427 IR running against an F430 with F1 tranny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzzZqdRIiw

[JBCOBRA]

Originally Posted by Intouch

here's my superformance with a roush 427 IR running against an F430 with F1 tranny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzzZqdRIiw

Excellent!
sounds great too

[jdean]

Tin-man, if your car is ready, take it to the race and offer to race the winner whoever it is. If your Cobra is tuned up properly, and with drag radials, I think you would win with the automatic. And you don't have to be an A-list driver to do it. No doubt.

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by jdean

Tin-man, if your car is ready, take it to the race and offer to race the winner whoever it is. If your Cobra is tuned up properly, and with drag radials, I think you would win with the automatic. And you don't have to be an A-list driver to do it. No doubt.

jdean, Yep, it sure is tempting, fact is I had thought about that notion, ceptin' three points: 1) I have no track time experience, 2) I have a great deal of respect for the power my Cobra has and, 3) these two young Turks are way outa my league. I am also mindful if I make one error, like popping a wheelie right outa the gate, as we saw in a recent post, due to the torque and drag radial combination I could crash and burn big time and that's not part of my life plan since I got one more factory to build in China and then I retire.

That said, this notion is certainly compelling and perhaps there are several people on this site who would jump at the chance. But such an idea while arguably taking this event to an absolute mind blowing conclusion would require the approval of the race sponsors, Tommy and Dan and I am not sure their egos could handle one of us working class stiffs from Club Cobra cleaning their clock and handing them their face. Chinese concept of loss of face, i.e. when yer gets yer ass kicked big time an' there just ain't no place to go.

Well Tommy and Dan, games on?

Are you guys ready to see how its done, can yer take da heat when yer lose?

Cheers, John, AKA, tin-man, Zhuhai, P.R.C.

[d_ford]

Wow. I was away for one day and this thread jumped 6 pages! I haven't posted on here much since I haven't had a cobra in several years but I check it every few days anyhow. Since this thread started I've been on here almost every day. Great thread and I'm looking forward to the results of the race and hopefully some video. Be safe guys.

[Jamo]

tin-man

I would imagine you must be somewhat culturally enlightened given your work in Asia, but referring to an Armenian as a "Young Turk"???

...just sayin

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by Jamo

tin-man

I would imagine you must be somewhat culturally enlightened given your work in Asia, but referring to an Armenian as a "Young Turk"???

...just sayin

Wow, mea culpa, I was not aware of that, I am sorry if I have offended anyone, it was not my intent at all. Young Turks in my neck of the woods are considered cutting edge business guys and is considered a compliment. Can I change the post???? tin-man

[Jamo]

Hehehe...just having some fun at your expense...the phrase is, as you say, used frequently in the manner you are familiar with...just a bit funny when talking about a Hye (Armenian for an Armenian).

Turk, one of the old-time members here at CC (he was never young enough to be a Young Turk ) and one of my bestest friends, would be giggling his ass off right now.

[tommygold]

Yah tin-man, that's nothing compared to the insults that are regularly hurled at Blitz.