Aluminum Body Shelby Continuation rollers $160,000.00

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Good relevant info for this thread.

Looking at the roller list, how much are baer brakes, halibrand wheels, leaf springs, tires, bucket seats, carpet, frame, roll bar, wooden steering wheel, Smith gauges, mirrors? U buy these identical parts from a store and they don't add up to $25K.

2 year wait+++ is a long time! People get sick, move, divorce, go broke, find other toys, lose patience, etc. Do buyers lose their 50% deposit if they back out?

After the body/frame is complete, the rest of the Cobra is not hard to assemble. I can install front and rear suspension in 2-3 work days(8 hrs a day), and u don't need to be a Cobra specialist. Fact: my buddy purchased a Shelby Mustang Snake from Shelby Inc. and the Shelby Tech who assembled his Mustang also works on Cobras (when or if they ever arrive at the Vegas shop). Look past nostalgia. These Cobras are not complicated to build and build quickly.

At least FFR got their philosophy and budget correct; these cars are for hobbyists, a niche market, and they should be reasonably priced to continue the hobby.

SAI makes Cobras with 60 year old parts and charges 3X or 4X their actual cost, a 2 year wait, and they give u a hot rod authenticated with Shelby's name and Cobra badges? With all due respect to the Shelby legacy and family, the exclusivity brand is not worth $160K++, not with the build parts and depreciation drop once the car leaves the showroom.(Is there a warranty for a roller?)

nyg

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Looking at the roller list, how much are baer brakes, halibrand wheels, leaf springs, tires, bucket seats, carpet, frame, roll bar, wooden steering wheel, Smith gauges, mirrors? U buy these identical parts from a store and they don't add up to $25K.

2 year wait+++ is a long time! People get sick, move, divorce, go broke, find other toys, lose patience, etc. Do buyers lose their 50% deposit if they back out?

After the body/frame is complete, the rest of the Cobra is not hard to assemble. I can install front and rear suspension in 2-3 work days(8 hrs a day), and u don't need to be a Cobra specialist. Fact: my buddy purchased a Shelby Mustang Snake from Shelby Inc. and the Shelby Tech who assembled his Mustang also works on Cobras (when or if they ever arrive at the Vegas shop). Look past nostalgia. These Cobras are not complicated to build and build quickly.

At least FFR got their philosophy and budget correct; these cars are for hobbyists, a niche market, and they should be reasonably priced to continue the hobby.

SAI makes Cobras with 60 year old parts and charges 3X or 4X their actual cost, a 2 year wait, and they give u a hot rod authenticated with Shelby's name and Cobra badges? With all due respect to the Shelby legacy and family, the exclusivity brand is not worth $160K++, not with the build parts and depreciation drop once the car leaves the showroom.(Is there a warranty for a roller?)

nyg

First, thank you for bringing the topic back to Shelby Cobra's. If I want to hear about watches, then I should jump off the nearest bridge.

Second, you're still forgetting about the supply/demand equation. Chipotle Mexican Grill (CMG) is $565/share right now with a P/E of 53. What is up with that? I don't understand. It's fast food Mexican style. Supply/Demand.

You will have to wait for an ERA, KMP or CSX. The KMP wait will vary, but in the past, 4-6 months is/was normal. SPF tends to be a short(er) wait.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

First, thank you for bringing the topic back to Shelby Cobra's. If I want to hear about watches, then I should jump off the nearest bridge.

Second, you're still forgetting about the supply/demand equation. Chipotle Mexican Grill (CMG) is $565/share right now with a P/E of 53. What is up with that? I don't understand. It's fast food Mexican style. Supply/Demand.

You will have to wait for an ERA, KMP or CSX. The KMP wait will vary, but in the past, 4-6 months is/was normal. SPF tends to be a short(er) wait.

I have 2 expensive watches: Bell Ross and a Rolex and I don't wear either. My Casio is my everyday. I do have a fake Omega and Jaeger made in Japan and neither would I wear to a wedding or to Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.

I don't have Chipotle but I had plenty of Facebook when I used to work there. Cashed out. Semi-retired now.

4-6 month wait is reasonable. 2 year++ is absurd for 60 year old bolt on parts. I believe the USA wait for a McLaren P1 is 18 months.

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

I have 2 expensive watches: Bell Ross and a Rolex and I don't wear either. My Casio is my everyday. I do have a fake Omega and Jaeger made in Japan and neither would I wear to a wedding or to Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.

I don't have Chipotle but I had plenty of Facebook when I used to work there. Cashed out. Semi-retired now.

4-6 month wait is reasonable. 2 year++ is absurd for 60 year old bolt on parts. I believe the USA wait for a McLaren P1 is 18 months.

Actually was talking to McLaren Special Operations(MSO) the other week. I have been sort of stalling and trying to figure out with them certain specializations for lack of a better word. I think the entire production of 375 should be completed by Christmas. P1's have just started to be seen in the US. They kissed Jay's ass by giving him the first one imported into the US.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

Actually was talking to McLaren Special Operations(MSO) the other week. I have been sort of stalling and trying to figure out with them certain specializations for lack of a better word. I think the entire production of 375 should be completed by Christmas. P1's have just started to be seen in the US. They kissed Jay's ass by giving him the first one imported into the US.

Damn you, OR!

Maybe I can buy your P1 in 20 years? Should depreciate to Kelly Blue book value $10K in 2034, right?

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Damn you, OR!

Maybe I can buy your P1 in 20 years? Should depreciate to Kelly Blue book value $10K in 2034, right?

Actually look at the F1 production. What took them 1000's of hours to do back then can be done in a few hours now. Production of composites has come a long way. I think they originally were going to make a few hundred F1's and about 64 were produced with 36 racers. so a little over 105 or 106 in total. It is still one of my all time favorite automobiles. You should research how those have gone up in price.

Still sitting on the fence to tell you the truth on the P1. Probably one of the best cars I have driven very safe with traction control and brake steering and all that good stuff. I think it will probably save a few people that normally could be over their heads with speed. I mean with the F1 if you were at the edge you knew it but with this one amazing technology and how it is applied.

Not sure about the production either I based it on 1 complete P1 built per day so I didn't take into account weekends and I'm sure some dealers put in orders just to hold onto for that premium you know. As I understand all the cars have been ordered since last year and a wait list is in effect. I really had to think long and hard about that order..still thinking about it.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

Actually look at the F1 production. What took them 1000's of hours to do back then can be done in a few hours now. Production of composites has come a long way. I think they originally were going to make a few hundred F1's and about 64 were produced with 36 racers. so a little over 105 or 106 in total. It is still one of my all time favorite automobiles. You should research how those have gone up in price.

Still sitting on the fence to tell you the truth on the P1. Probably one of the best cars I have driven very safe with traction control and brake steering and all that good stuff. I think it will probably save a few people that normally could be over their heads with speed. I mean with the F1 if you were at the edge you knew it but with this one amazing technology and how it is applied.

Not sure about the production either I based it on 1 complete P1 built per day so I didn't take into account weekends and I'm sure some dealers put in orders just to hold onto for that premium you know. As I understand all the cars have been ordered since last year and a wait list is in effect. I really had to think long and hard about that order..still thinking about it.

OR,
Do u think Shelby Cobra continuation cars are a good investment or bad, are they worth $160K++ roller tag?

If u were the CEO of Shelby America Inc., how would u market the Cobra to the X and Y generation car guy?

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

If I want to hear about watches, then I should jump off the nearest bridge.

Y

I know a few very peaceful and scenic bridges in the LA area I can recommend.


Rolex to me is like my Ford P/U's. Patek, Vacherin(especially the ones with invisible backs)are very nice and rarely wear any of them. My favorite one is the mariana trench watch. I still have a few MIB watches I give away as gifts.

NYG doesn't have a watch by Jacob?

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

NYG doesn't have a watch by Jacob?

Yes, made in Canal Street, NYC.

But my "real" sneakers' collection will impress u!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

But my "real" sneakers' collection will impress u!

Now, athletic shoes I can understand, but only if you use them.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Looking at the roller list, how much are baer brakes, halibrand wheels, leaf springs, tires, bucket seats, carpet, frame, roll bar, wooden steering wheel, Smith gauges, mirrors? U buy these identical parts from a store and they don't add up to $25K.

2 year wait+++ is a long time! People get sick, move, divorce, go broke, find other toys, lose patience, etc. Do buyers lose their 50% deposit if they back out?

After the body/frame is complete, the rest of the Cobra is not hard to assemble. I can install front and rear suspension in 2-3 work days(8 hrs a day), and u don't need to be a Cobra specialist. Fact: my buddy purchased a Shelby Mustang Snake from Shelby Inc. and the Shelby Tech who assembled his Mustang also works on Cobras (when or if they ever arrive at the Vegas shop). Look past nostalgia. These Cobras are not complicated to build and build quickly.

At least FFR got their philosophy and budget correct; these cars are for hobbyists, a niche market, and they should be reasonably priced to continue the hobby.

SAI makes Cobras with 60 year old parts and charges 3X or 4X their actual cost, a 2 year wait, and they give u a hot rod authenticated with Shelby's name and Cobra badges? With all due respect to the Shelby legacy and family, the exclusivity brand is not worth $160K++, not with the build parts and depreciation drop once the car leaves the showroom.(Is there a warranty for a roller?)

nyg

Well I could be wrong, but I have heard that some folks get their FFR kits delivered pretty quickly but then it takes them years to put them together.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Looking at the roller list, how much are baer brakes, halibrand wheels, leaf springs, tires, bucket seats, carpet, frame, roll bar, wooden steering wheel, Smith gauges, mirrors? U buy these identical parts from a store and they don't add up to $25K.

2 year wait+++ is a long time! People get sick, move, divorce, go broke, find other toys, lose patience, etc. Do buyers lose their 50% deposit if they back out?

After the body/frame is complete, the rest of the Cobra is not hard to assemble. I can install front and rear suspension in 2-3 work days(8 hrs a day), and u don't need to be a Cobra specialist. Fact: my buddy purchased a Shelby Mustang Snake from Shelby Inc. and the Shelby Tech who assembled his Mustang also works on Cobras (when or if they ever arrive at the Vegas shop). Look past nostalgia. These Cobras are not complicated to build and build quickly.

At least FFR got their philosophy and budget correct; these cars are for hobbyists, a niche market, and they should be reasonably priced to continue the hobby.

SAI makes Cobras with 60 year old parts and charges 3X or 4X their actual cost, a 2 year wait, and they give u a hot rod authenticated with Shelby's name and Cobra badges? With all due respect to the Shelby legacy and family, the exclusivity brand is not worth $160K++, not with the build parts and depreciation drop once the car leaves the showroom.(Is there a warranty for a roller?)

nyg

Things are worth what you can get. Thats supply and demand. Thats capitalism. Sounds like you want all these cars priced so they are affordable to the masses. Kinda like a "peoples car" right? Liberals/Progressives can take that desire and move to North Korea. That's the utopian socialistic state.

Moreover, your statements reveal your ignorance of the hobby. There are multiple Cobra replicas (SAAC's definition) available at $20K in kit form. You can buy a completed car for under $30K. How much less did you want them priced?

Oh, you want Shelbys price at $30K? You don't like their business model?. Write them a note. You think they are overpriced? Don't buy one. The wait is way too long? Don't buy one.

They use 60 year old parts? Really? Oh, you mean antiquated design? Well if you are continuing to produce a car that is 60 years old in design how else would you do it? In fact they have improved where they could in materials. Kirkham has improved aspects too but overall if you are continuing to build a 60 year old car your parameters are limited. No?

You think the options list for a Shelby Cobra are too expensive? Don't buy them from Shelby and install yourself.

Cobra replicas are easy to build? How many builds have you completed and what? If you build cars for a living every day its easy after a while. Anythings easier if you know how. A car, even one as simple as a Cobra or replica of one is very difficult to construct. You clearly have no clue of whats involved. It takes hours and hours of patience, mechanical and electrical know how and skill and elbow grease. Again, how many cars have you built?

News flash. This entire hobby from originals down to FFRs is a niche'. The % of people that know about these cars and car is infinitesimal compared to the overall population. Unfortunately, techno geeks are the wave of the future that lust for Prius's and over pay for sneakers. So I do agree with the notion that the Cobra value and industry will likely die out but I believe it will be from originals down to FFRs many years from now. Unfortunately there will not remain enough interest in these cars. When that goes even the originals will be old pieces of junk that no one will have an interest in. Could likely happen.

Shelbys are 3-4x cost? Really? Where are you getting your data? Even if they are, whats the issue with this? Supply and demand. If they don't sell prices will drop. If they are desired and supply is limited price rise. Not a socialist model I know but thats how it works here in the U.S. at least for now. Another Obama and were done.

In fact, What was the profit margin on your Prius? What was the profit margin on your overpriced sneaker collection? (Sneaker collection? Really). Whats the profit margin on a FFR? Are you just trolling and speaking out your arse or do you have facts and data? Please enlighten us. Your semi retired from Facebook? What was your profit margin? You clearly retired way to fast. Clearly way too much.

Shelbys are just a hotrod authenticated by Shelby? Your correct actually. So were the original series. No difference. Fabricators changed thats the bulk of it. The Cobra was the ultimate hot rod. So are the replicas of it. In fact the replicas have helped keep the hobby alive and Cobra alive for 45 years.

Rodknock is correct and finally citing correctly to authoritative text. Kirkhams are considered Cobras for numerous reasons. Do you even have a Registry? Do you even know what one looks like?

Whats the point of openning a garage and seeing Cobra replica hot rod you ask? A FFR, BDR, Kirk is no more a Cobra than your Nissan or Prius or whatever rice burner/battery powered flashlight your driving you say? A Cobra is a Cobra. A replica of one is at least replicating one in looks and likely performance and the character and spirit of what the car was. It is a celebration of history and American accomplishment. You obviously have no clue what the hobby is all about.

Which would get your pulse going faster after seeing the garage door rising a Cobra replica or a Prius? I know what my answer is. Guys who collect sneakers obviously not so much.

Stick to sneakers cause you are clearly clueless when it comes to Cobras and replicas.